[armedbear-devel] compiling lisp files outside Java and calling it after with abcl

[Blake McBride]

Greetings Santi,

Speaking for myself, RAR format is a real problem.  Every time I have to
use it it is a research project.  It seams like TAR, ZIP or JAR would be a
far more convenient format since these formats are widely available and
used on any operating system.

Just my 2 cents.

Thanks.

Blake McBride


On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 2:59 AM, santi <scarbonell at ono.com> wrote:

> Hi alessio,
>
> All you say it's correct.
>
> Babylon was developed in 90's using MCL (Machintosh Common Lisp) but an
> internal readme says that it is portable to another lisp implementations:
> MCL, Allegro, CLisp, CMU, AKCL.... That is why I try to use jlinker with
> allegro or Jacol with CLisp, but always, people says "try working with ABCL
> because there are a big community and working...." and is a very powerfull
> tool to translate lisp to java. The documentation of Jacol or jlinker is
> very poor. It's suppose that Babylon it's only work on MAC, but there are a
> light version to work with SUN, and this is the version that I'm trying to
> compile and this is why I'm trying to add a java interface like Swing or
> AWT.
>
> I attach Babylon, if anyone wants to try to compile with ABCL. The only
> think to compile is in make.cl and make-sun.cl to put some paths to your
> folders in your PC. For example in make.cl in the first line I put this to
> compile in D:\ folder
>
>        #-:MCL "D:\\Babylon\\"   ;;; <--- change the pathname string
> here!!!!
>
> If it's not possible to compile with ABCL, how do you try to do a
> communication protocol? Some idea or example? Web Services....?
>
> Thanks for your help
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: Alessio Stalla [mailto:alessiostalla at gmail.com]
> Enviado el: jueves, 01 de marzo de 2012 23:46
> Para: santi
> CC: armedbear-devel at common-lisp.net
> Asunto: Re: [armedbear-devel] compiling lisp files outside Java and calling
> it after with abcl
>
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 12:21 PM, santi <scarbonell at ono.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm working with a lisp software called "Babylon". Babylon is a software
> > from AI that works with frames, prolog....
>
> Ok, let's try to be more scientific.
> The only mentions of Babylon I could find from a quick Google search
> date back to the late 90's. Is Babylon available for download
> somewhere? Is someone actively developing it? From your words, it
> seems like you're already running it on another Lisp implementation.
> Is that the case? If yes, which implementation?
>
> ABCL fully implements ANSI Common Lisp, but Babylon might use
> implementation-specific extensions, or techniques like tail recursion
> that don't work well on ABCL (since you're mentioning stack overflows,
> that might be a reason).
>
> > What I'm trying to do is to load Babylon into a JVM and then call its
> > functions using a Java interface, for example Java Swing or AWT. This is
> why
> > I'm trying to use ABCL to load Babylon into JVM
>
> If everything else fails, you can always run Babylon where you're
> running it now, develop a communication protocol to talk with it
> remotely, and use a JVM client with ABCL speaking the same protocol to
> do whatever GUI stuff you want. This is easier than it sounds in Lisp
> because, security and efficiency concerns aside, you can just send
> printed S-expressions back and forth.
>
> Peace,
> Alessio
>
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