[LispSea] charter

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

Brandon,

It sounds like you know how to get a paying job doing Lisp or Scheme or
something. Be your own boss and choose your best tools.  Find some
compatriots to work with you on making a business.  That strikes me as more
efficient than converting the society around you.

Either way, my interest is in miniature Lisp systems (e.g., Scheme at its
basic level) and also how and whether to integrate Lisp solutions into
industrial-grade application deployments.  (That's why Chicken tweaks my
interest too.) 

 - Dennis

PS: I recommend that you not waste your time selling Dennis on "selling."
It will just be off-purpose when there are more important pursuits.

-----Original Message-----
From: seattle-bounces at common-lisp.net
[mailto:seattle-bounces at common-lisp.net] On Behalf Of Brandon J. Van Every
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 19:02
To: seattle at common-lisp.net
Subject: Re: [LispSea] charter

[ ... ]

Of course, I am biased.  I do not share Dennis' perspective.  I want to
promote!  I want a paying *JOB* doing Lisp or Scheme or something.  

[ ... ]

I'm saying:

(1) having a primary focus is fine.  I'm voting for promotion.
(2) including people who want to do other things is fine.
(3) we shouldn't fear the loss of those who insist the primary focus is bad.
Having a focus brings benefits that are worth such losses.

My bar for success is "are we as good as NYC Lisp."  That's the metric.  
Whatever it takes to get to that metric, I'm in favor of.  Anything less
than that, I say, SeaFunc already did it, or will gradually do it.  Aim
higher.

[ ... ]

I move for less focus on charters, and more on creating biosheets of
specific individuals who want to champion various causes.  Action counts.
The group is going to be the sum total of its members' actions, no matter
what the Charter says.  Networking counts.  It's one thing if I'm off on my
own tangent.  But what if 3 others share my tangent?

I will put myself down for: Scheme, Chicken Scheme specifically, C FFIs,
performance, free or cheap natively compiled Common Lisp on Windows, OpenGL,
AI, and the game industry.

[ ... ] Experience with SeaFunc has shown that, it's better to have people
discuss things face-to-face.  For instance, if Dennis finds himself
unsubscribing, it may be because he gets bored, or he gets offended, or
because Brandon talks too much, or whatever.  These problems don't happen so
much in person.  I bet, in person, I could probably convince Dennis that his
outright distaste for the term "selling" is misguided, as far as what
LispSea needs to achieve.  Or if not, I'd learn an awful lot about the
demographic he represents, and its likely effect on getting LispSea some
legs.  But online discussions, in contrast, carry a lot of risk of people
getting irritated.  That is to say, when people don't share agendas.


Cheers,
Brandon Van Every

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