[LispSea] charter

[Justin Grant]

When can you start on the LispSea 3D demos ?


On Jun 12, 2006, at 7:23 PM, Brandon J. Van Every wrote:

> Justin Grant wrote:
>>
>> Personally, I don't have any interest in de-clawing Lisp for  
>> business consumption by using marketing primarily.
>> There is definitely value in marketing but this should come as a  
>> result of a 'killer app/s' being written and used (i.e. Rails,  
>> Yahoo Store). Marketing should not be the primary effort but a  
>> side effect/effort.
>
> I'm sympathetic to that point of view, which I'd call "proof in the  
> pudding."  I feel my only recourse in the game industry is to make  
> a great game, make it with Chicken Scheme, make lotsa $$$$$$ on it,  
> and then tell people what I did.  If I still think it's important  
> or profitable to tell people what I did.  Some people, once they  
> achieve success, become very quiet about how they got there, lest  
> someone else take it from them!
>
> However, to say "should not" is to deny oneself the tools of the  
> Consultant.  A solution doesn't have to be "killer" to be a good  
> solution.  How often are Java solutions "killer?"  Yet there are  
> many Java solutions, because Java is well promoted.
>
>>
>> Those who want to learn Lisp could find guidance in the language  
>> and practices by attending local meetings. They would also have  
>> the option of becoming involved in a community project. The  
>> project could speak volumes to business if it was a success.
>> Another great side effect would be that usable frameworks could be  
>> extracted from such an undertaking which in turn benefit the  
>> community at large.
>
> One thing SeaFunc doesn't do, and one reason why I think SeaFunc  
> has a stable upwards growth curve.  We don't say to people, "Please  
> do more work!"  People have their own jobs and their own projects.   
> I'm all for networking people who want to do projects.  I'm all for  
> offering organizational resources that help them coordinate that  
> sort of thing - I'll have to add Darcs to my list of interests.   
> But I would hate to see LispSea perceived as "that place where  
> everyone wants to sign you up for a project."  It would drive  
> people away.  It's a matter of handling and framing rather than  
> substance.  It's a matter of, say, not Chartering oneself as "we're  
> here to do all these projects, that's our mission."
>
> A recent Seattle AI group folded because of this thing, as far as I  
> know.  They were all about, "Gee, let's have this big community  
> project to work on!"  I was like, geez, I don't need more work.
>
>>
>> Building a web app for the LispSea community to 'get things done'  
>> is a good place to start.
>> I'm willing to take this on and/or contribute a considerable  
>> amount of time...
>
> Now that's really the gold of a group.  People who say, "Hey, I am  
> doing / will do this.  Who's joining me?"  And even better: people  
> who go off and do it anyways when the crickets chirp.
>
> I always feel bad when web infrastructure comes up, because I know  
> it's important, but I really have no web skills nor desire to have  
> them.  At some point I will work on the slick LispSea 3D demos to  
> assuage my guilty conscience.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Brandon Van Every
>
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