Call for Interest: Clojure (or Lisp?) Code Camp with BLM focus

Tue Jul 7 00:40:41 UTC 2020

"actively under development"! Music (sorry) to my ears! The Lisp and ADD
genes must overlap seriously. I started one of the videos. Really nice live
coding.

I'll make sure our code camp grad school uses CL.

Thx!

-hk

On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 8:11 PM Andy Peterson <andy.arvid at gmail.com> wrote:

> https://github.com/byulparan/cl-collider
> "A SuperCollider <http://supercollider.github.io/> client for CommonLisp
> <https://www.common-lisp.net/>"
>
> Never tried this but I've been following it for a few years and it is
> actively under development.
>
> Andy
>
> On Mon, 6 Jul 2020 at 13:57, Ken Tilton <kentilton at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the seconding motion! But part of the plan is high
>> accessibility, and low cost. I just noticed the pricing on OpusModus, bit
>> of a showstopper there.
>>
>> We would use Clojure Overtone https://overtone.github.io/ but that sits
>> atop Supercollider, not sure if that would make installation a PITA.
>> Ideally we would have sth built atop Web Audio, but then we really are
>> super low-level. I think! Have to look into that.
>>
>> We *would* want to hook the students with solid music before taking them
>> down to the basics, so existing effects etc would be great to have, but
>> again, this is about coding in general, not music generation. That is just
>> the hook.
>>
>> Thx again! If some campers get more turned on by music than coding that
>> will be a great next step.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 1:43 PM dbm at refined-audiometrics.com <
>> dbm at refined-audiometrics.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Yes, I was also going to suggest OpusModus. I see little purpose in
>>> reinventing any portion of what they have done.
>>>
>>> I have been a user for about 2 years now. It seems to be the defacto
>>> replacement for an earlier product done in Lispworks, from Italy, called
>>> Symbolic Composer. OpusModus is very good, and getting better every day.
>>> They just implemented live MIDI recording in the latest version.
>>>
>>> - David McClain
>>> Refined Audiometrics Laboratory, LLC
>>> Tucson, AZ, USA
>>> refined-audiometrics.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 6, 2020, at 8:11 AM, Ken Tilton <kentilton at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sounds great, I will keep it in mind if we loosen the web/mobile-native
>>> constraint. Or maybe as a direction for campers who take off -- no need
>>> then to fret over platform, power will matter.
>>>
>>> Thx!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 10:54 AM Stonewall Ballard <stoney at sb.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ken,
>>>>
>>>> Are you familiar with Opusmodus?
>>>> <http://opusmodus.com>
>>>>
>>>> It’s written in Clozure ccl, and besides providing an incredible array
>>>> of music manipulation functions and structures, it’s got a beautiful window
>>>> system. Mac only.
>>>>
>>>> Your idea of using music as a hook to learn Lisp sounds plausible. Good
>>>> Luck!
>>>>
>>>>  - Stoney
>>>> ————
>>>> Stonewall Ballard    stoney at sb.org   http://stoney.sb.org
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, July 6 at 8:15:31 AM, Ken Tilton (kentilton at gmail.com)
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So I got to thinking about creating an approachable pathway to IT
>>>> careers for anyone really, but in the spirit of today one focused on
>>>> creating career opportunities for African Americans.
>>>>
>>>> The idea would be a code camp developed around algorithmic generation
>>>> of music. I know nothing about music theory, except that there is prolly
>>>> enough there to introduce most if not all fundamental programming concepts.
>>>>
>>>> For those campers that accidentally get hooked on programming itself,
>>>> which is how many of us ended up in IT careers, away they go!
>>>>
>>>> The idea is to:
>>>>
>>>>    - use music as the hook;
>>>>    - defer as long as possible the annoying things about programming
>>>>    (I am looking at you, node.js);
>>>>    - part of that ^^^ will be using a powerful language with the
>>>>    parentheses in the right place, prolly ClojureScript since that could run
>>>>    where JS runs;
>>>>    - keep programming as the focus, as tempting as the music will be.
>>>>    Sonic Pi comes with all sorts of built-in sound capabilities, but we want
>>>>    to *develop* those in the code camp;
>>>>    - tailor the program to specific musical genres, to maximize the
>>>>    musical hook.
>>>>
>>>> I am dropping this here since I know many Common Lispers have a strong
>>>> musical bent. My questions are:
>>>>
>>>>    - Could we use CL instead? I do think this almost has to be a web
>>>>    app, perhaps even mobile. Hmmm, we *could* CL-ify CLJS with
>>>>    sufficent clever macrology.
>>>>    - What do you think? Can a solid programming fundamentals course be
>>>>    expressed in music theory? Hint: HTTP is not a programming fundamental.
>>>>    - If there is any interest, what would be a good place for an
>>>>    ongoing discussion? Google groups?
>>>>
>>>> Ideas, comments, suggestions all welcome.
>>>>
>>>> -hk
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Kenneth Tilton
>>> http://tiltontec.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Kenneth Tilton
>> http://tiltontec.com/
>>
>

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Kenneth Tilton
http://tiltontec.com/
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