ASDF debugging on Hangouts?

[John Morrison]

FWIW a prototype GUI
<https://bitbucket.org/symbolicsimulation/com.symsim.oss.ql-gui> for
quicklisp that clarified some of these dist/release/system issues for me
(also ASDF systems vs quicklisp systems)...  Perhaps it could be of some
utility, especially for newbies...

Am interested in feedback beyond what I have already received and
incorporated from the McCLIM developers' list (i.e., bugs, usability, etc.)

In particular:

   - I have noticed dists other than quicklisp itself (e.g, bodge and
   shirakumo) tend not to provide version history/availability info - how best
   should the GUI (or indeed any user) infer such a dist is out of date?
   - I should probably, upon request, present (in a popup) the list of
   changes/updates that an update-dist would make, in some sort of popup as a
   separate command (rather than the confirmation step of an actual
   update-dist), and
   - I should probably popup the confirmation itself of such actions

While I've been using it myself for some time, please be advised that it
does actually invoke quicklisp operations that will result in changes...

-jm

p.s., although

On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 11:09 AM, Zach Beane <xach at xach.com> wrote:

> There can be more than one dist, but "quicklisp" names essentially the
> default dist. There are others -  http://bodge.borodust.org/
> dist/org.borodust.bodge.txt for example has a dist named
> "org.borodust.bodge" that has trivial-gamekit software. You can install it
> with (ql:install-dist "http://bodge.borodust.org/
> dist/org.borodust.bodge.txt") and update it with (ql:update-dist
> "org.borodust.bodge") or (ql:update-all-dists). Going back in time doesn't
> work, though.
>
> Zach
>
> On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 10:50 AM, Ken Tilton <kentilton at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Oh, wow: update-all-dists *does* update all dists. Yes, big hammer.
>>
>> Not sure I get the naming here: (ql:update-dist "quicklisp").
>>
>> Could that be update-current-dist, taking no params? What values other
>> than "quicklisp" make sense. Meanwhile, I (again belatedly) looked at
>> http://cliki.net/Quicklisp%20tutorial. I imagine (ql:update-client) does more
>> than I realized? Mebbe not.
>>
>> Anyway, back to work...
>>
>> -kt
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Zach Beane <xach at xach.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't recommend using update-all-dists as the default. I prefer to
>>> recommend (ql:update-dist "quicklisp"), which updates all projects in the
>>> quicklsp dist.
>>>
>>> There can be multiple dists installed, and update-all-dists calls
>>> update-dist on all of them.
>>>
>>> See blog.quicklisp.org for news about what is updated each month.
>>>
>>> Zach
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 10:27 AM, Ken Tilton <kentilton at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks, Luis! I noticed update-all-dists too late, not sure how I
>>>> missed it. I bravely attempted (ql:update :cffi) but of course no luck, I
>>>> guess because you are saying:
>>>>
>>>> A
>>>>> dist is, among other things, a list of URLs pointing to project
>>>>> snapshots that are known to work well with each other.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ​But then the name ​"update-all-dists" seems off (checking my
>>>> understanding). Does it not update-all-*projects* in the one current dist?
>>>> Trying to answer my own question on The Google, I found this gem of a
>>>> thread:
>>>>
>>>> http://blog.quicklisp.org/2011/08/going-back-in-dist-time.html
>>>>
>>>> ...and the extensive :ql-dist package.
>>>>
>>>> I guess I should not have skipped the instruction to contact Xach if I
>>>> had any questions. :)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again, hk
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 5:53 AM, Luís Oliveira <luismbo at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Dec 26, 2017 at 7:43 PM, Ken Tilton <kentilton at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > But I am curious, I will first try to see why uninstall did not work.
>>>>>
>>>>> When you first install Quicklisp, it will download the latest dist. A
>>>>> dist is, among other things, a list of URLs pointing to project
>>>>> snapshots that are known to work well with each other. (This is one of
>>>>> the key features of Quicklisp!) Uninstalling a project then
>>>>> reinstalling it doesn't achieve much since Quicklisp will again grab
>>>>> the very same project version, as determined by the dist.
>>>>>
>>>>> To update to the latest dist, you can use ql:update-all-dists. They're
>>>>> released monthly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Luís Oliveira
>>>>> http://kerno.org/~luis/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Kenneth Tilton
>>>> http://tiltontec.com/
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Kenneth Tilton
>> http://tiltontec.com/
>>
>
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