Trying to use McCLIM

Craig Lanning craig.t.lanning at gmail.com
Sat Oct 19 14:49:18 UTC 2019


See below.

On Fri, 2019-10-11 at 20:31 -0400, Craig Lanning wrote:
> Daniel,
> 
> Attached is a modified version of my code that actually works in
> LispWorks CLIM. It probably needs some additional tweaking, but it
> works to a point.
> 
> Craig
> 
> On Fri, 2019-10-11 at 16:01 -0400, Craig Lanning wrote:
> > Thanks for your quick reply.
> > 
> > On Fri, 2019-10-11 at 21:37 +0200, Daniel Kochmański wrote:
> > > Hello Craig,
> > > 
> > > Craig Lanning writes:
> > > 
> > > > Gentlemen,
> > > > 
> > > > I have been writing CLIM apps for years. I've use Symbolics
> > > > CLIM
> > > > and
> > > > LispWorks CLIM. Code moves back and forth between these two
> > > > with
> > > > little
> > > > difficulty. In the past when I tried McCLIM, I couldn't make it
> > > > work.
> > > > 
> > > > I just tried it again. Is there a way to determine which
> > > > version
> > > > of
> > > > McCLIM was loaded by QuickLisp?  I tried it in both Clozure CL
> > > > and
> > > > SBCL. Neither worked, but each exhitited a different failure.
> > > 
> > > I'm glad to hear that you've tried it again. I expect that there
> > > is
> > > easier way to check the Quicklisp version, but if you look into
> > > the
> > > file
> > > quicklisp-directory/dists/quicklisp/releases.txt and search for a
> > > string
> > > mcclim you'll see something like this:
> > > 
> > > -- cut --
> > > mcclim 
> > > 
> 
> 
http://beta.quicklisp.org/archive/mcclim/2019-07-10/mcclim-20190710-git.tgz
> > >  ...
> > > -- cut --
> > > 
> > > You can see there that it is a version cloned at 2019-07-10.
> > > Canonical
> > > repository is https://github.com/McCLIM/McCLIM/ so if you want to
> > > ensure
> > > the newest version clone it to your local-projects directory (or
> > > to
> > > one of asdf registory directories).
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > SBCL compiles and loads my code. When I start the app, once it
> > > > displays
> > > > the frame, the command menus show up in the menu bar, but they
> > > > won't
> > > > pop down.
> > > > 
> > > > Clozure CL compiles and loads my code. When I start the app,
> > > > once
> > > > it
> > > > displays the frame, while the command menus will pop down, all
> > > > of
> > > > the
> > > > items in the menu are grayed out, except the divider entries.
> > > 
> > > I can reproduce the result you've mentioned for CCL on SBCL. Note
> > > that I
> > > had to make changes to your code since it didn't run
> > > (:redisplay-function argument should be :display-function and a
> > > function
> > > name typo s/display-detail/display-details/). I didn't change
> > > anything
> > > else so far.
> > > > 
> > > > I also noticed that for both SBCL and Clozure CL, McCLIM had no
> > > > support
> > > > for Palettes. It failed when my code called make-palette and
> > > > frame-
> > > > manager-palette.
> > > 
> > > McCLIM implements CLIM II specification which doesn't specify
> > > what
> > > palettes are.
> > 
> > That is interesting since that bit of code works on both the
> > Symbolics
> > CLIM and the LispWorks CLIM.
> > 
> > The code that Franz just released also has some stuff about
> > Palettes.
> > 
> > I'll have to look back through the CLIM II spec to see if it
> > mentions
> > Palettes.
> > 
> > Palettes may have been something that was added after the 2.0 spec
> > was
> > released.  I think that Symbolics' CLIM implementation was
> > considered
> > to be 2.1 and I don't know about LispWorks. I think that Franz
> > implementation may have been 2.2.
> > 
> > > > The app is just a toy that I want to use as the example for a
> > > > book
> > > > that
> > > > I am writing about using CLIM.
> > > > 
> > > > I have attached a zip file of the source code. With the code
> > > > unzipped,
> > > > you can compile and load the app by loading system.lisp into
> > > > your
> > > > lisp
> > > > environment. Its a fairly simple file to compile and load the
> > > > files
> > > > for
> > > > the app.
> > > > 
> > > > Once the app is loaded you can start it by typing the form
> > > > 	(cb:run-class-browser)
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > I've started the application (as noted above). If nobody replies
> > > during
> > > the weekend about why menu commands seem to be disables I'll try
> > > to
> > > debug it on Monday.

Have you figured anything out about this issue?

Craig

> > > > Incidently, it would be helpful if there was a feature symbol
> > > > that
> > > > was
> > > > unique to McCLIM. So that I could distinguish between running
> > > > in
> > > > McCLIM
> > > > and some other CLIM.
> > > 
> > > As it happens such feature symbol exists, it is `:mcclim'.
> > 
> > Thanks, that is great. I guess I missed it when I looked through
> > the
> > list of symbols.
> > 
> > Craig
> > 
> > > > Craig
> > > 
> > > Best regards,
> > > Daniel
> > > 
> > > --
> > > Daniel Kochmański ;; aka jackdaniel | Przemyśl, Poland
> > > TurtleWare - Daniel Kochmański      | www.turtleware.eu
> > > 
> > > "Be the change that you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma
> > > Gandhi




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