Trying to use McCLIM

[Craig Lanning]

Daniel,

Attached is a modified version of my code that actually works in
LispWorks CLIM. It probably needs some additional tweaking, but it
works to a point.

Craig

On Fri, 2019-10-11 at 16:01 -0400, Craig Lanning wrote:
> Thanks for your quick reply.
> 
> On Fri, 2019-10-11 at 21:37 +0200, Daniel Kochmański wrote:
> > Hello Craig,
> > 
> > Craig Lanning writes:
> > 
> > > Gentlemen,
> > > 
> > > I have been writing CLIM apps for years. I've use Symbolics CLIM
> > > and
> > > LispWorks CLIM. Code moves back and forth between these two with
> > > little
> > > difficulty. In the past when I tried McCLIM, I couldn't make it
> > > work.
> > > 
> > > I just tried it again. Is there a way to determine which version
> > > of
> > > McCLIM was loaded by QuickLisp?  I tried it in both Clozure CL
> > > and
> > > SBCL. Neither worked, but each exhitited a different failure.
> > 
> > I'm glad to hear that you've tried it again. I expect that there is
> > easier way to check the Quicklisp version, but if you look into the
> > file
> > quicklisp-directory/dists/quicklisp/releases.txt and search for a
> > string
> > mcclim you'll see something like this:
> > 
> > -- cut --
> > mcclim 
> > 
http://beta.quicklisp.org/archive/mcclim/2019-07-10/mcclim-20190710-git.tgz
> >  ...
> > -- cut --
> > 
> > You can see there that it is a version cloned at 2019-07-10.
> > Canonical
> > repository is https://github.com/McCLIM/McCLIM/ so if you want to
> > ensure
> > the newest version clone it to your local-projects directory (or to
> > one of asdf registory directories).
> > 
> > > 
> > > SBCL compiles and loads my code. When I start the app, once it
> > > displays
> > > the frame, the command menus show up in the menu bar, but they
> > > won't
> > > pop down.
> > > 
> > > Clozure CL compiles and loads my code. When I start the app, once
> > > it
> > > displays the frame, while the command menus will pop down, all of
> > > the
> > > items in the menu are grayed out, except the divider entries.
> > 
> > I can reproduce the result you've mentioned for CCL on SBCL. Note
> > that I
> > had to make changes to your code since it didn't run
> > (:redisplay-function argument should be :display-function and a
> > function
> > name typo s/display-detail/display-details/). I didn't change
> > anything
> > else so far.
> > > 
> > > I also noticed that for both SBCL and Clozure CL, McCLIM had no
> > > support
> > > for Palettes. It failed when my code called make-palette and
> > > frame-
> > > manager-palette.
> > 
> > McCLIM implements CLIM II specification which doesn't specify what
> > palettes are.
> 
> That is interesting since that bit of code works on both the
> Symbolics
> CLIM and the LispWorks CLIM.
> 
> The code that Franz just released also has some stuff about Palettes.
> 
> I'll have to look back through the CLIM II spec to see if it mentions
> Palettes.
> 
> Palettes may have been something that was added after the 2.0 spec
> was
> released.  I think that Symbolics' CLIM implementation was considered
> to be 2.1 and I don't know about LispWorks. I think that Franz
> implementation may have been 2.2.
> 
> > > The app is just a toy that I want to use as the example for a
> > > book
> > > that
> > > I am writing about using CLIM.
> > > 
> > > I have attached a zip file of the source code. With the code
> > > unzipped,
> > > you can compile and load the app by loading system.lisp into your
> > > lisp
> > > environment. Its a fairly simple file to compile and load the
> > > files
> > > for
> > > the app.
> > > 
> > > Once the app is loaded you can start it by typing the form
> > > 	(cb:run-class-browser)
> > > 
> > 
> > I've started the application (as noted above). If nobody replies
> > during
> > the weekend about why menu commands seem to be disables I'll try to
> > debug it on Monday.
> > > Incidently, it would be helpful if there was a feature symbol
> > > that
> > > was
> > > unique to McCLIM. So that I could distinguish between running in
> > > McCLIM
> > > and some other CLIM.
> > 
> > As it happens such feature symbol exists, it is `:mcclim'.
> 
> Thanks, that is great. I guess I missed it when I looked through the
> list of symbols.
> 
> Craig
> 
> > > Craig
> > 
> > Best regards,
> > Daniel
> > 
> > --
> > Daniel Kochmański ;; aka jackdaniel | Przemyśl, Poland
> > TurtleWare - Daniel Kochmański      | www.turtleware.eu
> > 
> > "Be the change that you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi
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