[mac-lisp-ide] Re: ideas and issues

[mikel evins]

On Feb 1, 2004, at 9:07 AM, Brian Mastenbrook wrote:

> On Feb 1, 2004, at 11:58 AM, mikel evins wrote:
>
>> It also seems like we're not that far from having a good start on a 
>> CLIM-based IDE if we can get the Listener and Goatee up and limping.
>
> This sounds great! Right now it looks like Goatee is kind of a 
> bare-minimum solution; since gilberth is involved in hemlock too, the 
> idea was that hemlock would eventually take over as the the McCLIM 
> editor, leaving goatee for line editing.
>
> If in fact Hemlock becomes the best solution for a native Cocoa 
> editor, is there any reason why we can't simply integrate it into a 
> Cocoa McCLIM? That sounds like a way that the two projects could share 
> a significant base of code.

No, and it's my intention that Alpaca and Clotho will also use Hemlock 
as soon as we can get it working properly. I pinged Gary about the 
state of his Hemlock conversion project, but I haven't heard back from 
him yet (which is unusual; perhaps he's offline for a bit).

>
>> I posted separately that I've packaged a 0.1 release of Clotho. Seems 
>> like that's two places to start. I don't see any reason we can't 
>> pursue both (and others as well) until it becomes clear that either 
>> one is a better idea than the other, or that each has its own use.
>
> I don't see any reason why there wouldn't be a place for the two to 
> coexist: CLIM for people working on a good (and quite possibly 
> platform-independent) CLIM-model IDE, and Cocoa for those people who 
> want a very Cocoa-ish development environment. There's no law against 
> code sharing when we can :-)
>
> Hopefully even a native Cocoa IDE will be able to load CLIM too, so 
> people can use it for writing CLIM programs.

I agree with all of this.