[Ecls-list] [maintainership]

Sun Feb 22 12:34:46 UTC 2015

Hello,

Anton Vodonosov writes:

> Hello Daniel,
>
> My main wish to you: the most important criterion - don't break ECL,
> don't make it worse than it is today.

Thank you. I do agree, it's most important case and my greatest concern
about whole thing.
>
> And thanks for your initiative to take care about the project.
>
> From your list of goals, I think new release is the most important,
> because HEAD is quite different from the last release. Juan Jose
> didn't released his last changes, so probably the HEAD is
> in some work-in progress state.
>
> I can help with testing using cl-test-grid - we build all the libraries
> from quicklisp on old release, and with new release and compare results
> to detect regressions, like this:
> https://common-lisp.net/project/cl-test-grid/ecl/ecl-diff-2-lisp-to-c.html
>
Thank you. I saw you already submitted some test results. I'll take a
closer look at whole procedure as next thing.

BR,
Daniel

ps. sorry for resend - i had problems with mu4e configuration (wrong
e-mail sender address, and mail didn't came through to mailing list).
>
>
> 21.02.2015, 09:51, "Daniel Kochmański" <jackdaniel at hellsgate.pl>:
>> Hello,
>>
>> it's saturday and nobody has risen concerns about new maintainership, so
>> I assume it's ok with you all - thanks for putting trust on unknown
>> person.
>>
>> For start I need admin privileges on SF, and on wikispaces (which also
>> requires subscription renewal). My user name on both portals is
>> dkochmanski.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Daniel
>>
>> Juan Jose Garcia-Ripoll writes:
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> first of all thanks for taking me into consideration and for volunteering
>>> to continue the project. I was overoptimistic in assuming that I could even
>>> continue fixing bugs or reading the mailing list at all. I therefore
>>> welcome any initiative to have a stable team that works on bugs and keeps
>>> the project alive and useful. Just let me know what you need, such as
>>> adding you to the Admin list and perhaps updating or giving you access to
>>> other resources.
>>>
>>> Since I do not have much time to read these threads, I would appreciate a
>>> warning when the issue has been settled by the community, with a list of
>>> steps that I should take.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>>
>>> Juanjo
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 10:00 PM, ZhanLin Shang <shangzhanlin at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi Daniel,
>>>> I agree with your opinion, I know some C (I've been playing around with C
>>>> for 5 years but not embedding) and some CL (which is the language I use the
>>>> most), I will try to help if I can.
>>>> Best,
>>>> Z.Shang
>>>>
>>>> On Sun Feb 15 2015 at 8:56:01 PM Daniel Kochmański <
>>>> jackdaniel at hellsgate.pl> wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> most of you have probably noticed, that ECL is unmaintained for quite a
>>>>> while. Some spontaneous attempts are made, like submitting a patch, or
>>>>> answering question - what is great, but insufficient. Many important bug
>>>>> fixes last on git head, a few potential improvements wait in patch
>>>>> queue. The other words - ECL starts to smell funny, what's a shame,
>>>>> since it's a great project.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm writing to mailing list to volunteer myself as projects
>>>>> maintainer. I'm sure there are people better suited for such role, but
>>>>> since nobody asks for it, I do. Please reply to this message with
>>>>> protests or support, if any. I'm full time embedded engineer with strong
>>>>> C background, and solely speaking - CL new-be. Since I'm full time
>>>>> worker, I can spare only a few hours a week, but I'm sure it would be
>>>>> sufficient for start.
>>>>>
>>>>> Short plan of things, which have to be done (any help welcome) - in
>>>>> descendent order:
>>>>>
>>>>> ** Roll out a new release
>>>>> Many bug-fixes lie on git, and are absent on current release. It is
>>>>> really important to make a new release.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Introduce new branching model
>>>>> http://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Move development to gitorious
>>>>> Split separate projects into separate repositories (libffi, gmp)
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Patch submissions
>>>>> I think it would be plausible to move patch submissions to
>>>>> mailing list, so they can be commented.
>>>>>
>>>>> ** Refresh
>>>>> 1. Website
>>>>> I find it counter-intuitive and hard to navigate. Sitemap should
>>>>> be rearranged, and maybe even moved from SF.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Materials
>>>>> Wiki's subscription is ended now. It should be brought back.
>>>>> Usage examples should be easier to find and study.
>>>>> It would be nice to have tutorials describing, how to install and
>>>>> embed ECL in project.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Patch/feature/bug queues (as started by Arto)
>>>>> Decide, which patches need to be merged into ECL, reject the
>>>>> rest. Same with feature requests - if something is beyond our
>>>>> reach for now, should be tagged as won't do. Bug reports should be
>>>>> checked for these already fixed, not-bugs and some which won't be
>>>>> fixed anytime soon.
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. Actualizing ECL support libraries - libffi breaks on build for
>>>>> armv5 (new version works like a charm). It is also at least worth
>>>>> considering switching to lgpl3 (for pragmatic reasons) - this one
>>>>> requires further discussion, but first things first.
>>>>>
>>>>> ** Evolve
>>>>> 1. Third party libraries
>>>>> - Use most recent libraries (asdf, quicklisp, swank, etc)
>>>>> - Treat libffi as separate project /move to more recent version/
>>>>> - Treat libgc as separate project /consider lgplv3/
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Make more ports
>>>>> - Android (merge patches, write nice tutorial)
>>>>> - NaCL
>>>>> - Minix
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Regression / testing / deployment
>>>>> - vagrant
>>>>> - automated reports
>>>>> - suggestions?
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. ECL java application for android
>>>>>
>>>>> ============================
>>>>>
>>>>> I already wrote similar mail to Juan Jose Garcia-Ripoll (attached as
>>>>> reference), and he suggested to write to mailing list.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Daniel Kochmański
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> my name is Daniel Kochmański, and I want to say, that I am really
>>>>>> impressed by your work on Embeddable Common Lisp, and I want to thank
>>>>>> you for it. I find ecl nice piece of software and consider it a great
>>>>>> opportunity to learn.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm writing to you, because I want to be maintainer of it. I have strong
>>>>>> C background, and I'm learning Common Lisp, so it wouldn't be very good
>>>>>> pick if project is actively developed, but since it starts to smell
>>>>>> funny (pun intended), I think it won't be a bad idea. I'm full time
>>>>>> embedded systems engineer, so I can spare only few hours a week, but I'm
>>>>>> convinced it would be sufficient for start.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First thing I'd like to do is to roll out a new release, since git head
>>>>>> has many improvements over current release (especially bugfix for
>>>>>> bordeaux-threads), and cleanup of feature-requests and bug-reports on
>>>>>> SourceForge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then I plan to move development to gitorious, and host third party
>>>>>> libraries as separate projects. Also, branching model would change -
>>>>>> current commits will land on "develop", and "master" will be kept for
>>>>>> releases only. I'm also considering reorganizing, or even moving ecl
>>>>>> site from SourceForge, because I find it really hard to navigate. There
>>>>>> is also problem with wiki, where subscription has ended, and needs
>>>>>> reactivation by one of the wiki organizers (according to wikispaces).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Next thing would be actualizing libffi (build breaks on armv5 on old
>>>>>> sources included with ECL), and merging patches for android and nacl
>>>>>> builds - I'm working on it on my local repository lately. After that to
>>>>>> attract more people, I think that would be a nice idea to make android
>>>>>> app, which will bring ECL to android devices.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do you think about this proposition? I was convincing myself to
>>>>>> write this mail for few weeks from now, but I'm still not sure if I
>>>>>> should write to mailing list first. Anyways, again, thank you for
>>>>>> keeping this project alive for so many years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Daniel Kochmański
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Daniel Kochmański | Poznań, Poland
>>>>>> ;; aka jackdaniel
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Be the change that you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi
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>>>>> ;; aka jackdaniel
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