[chicago-lisp] What lisp based applications do people use?

[Andrew Wolven]

--- Corey Sweeney <corey.sweeney at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hmm,  could you mention what Mirai is? lol   From
> what your saying I'm
> guessing it's really expensive cad software.

Hrm.  Oh Yeah, Mirai is the next phase in the life of
the Symbolics S-Packages.  It's own company now,  I
guess run by Larry Malone.  The symbolics s-packages
were and still are cutting edge animation software. 
Mirai has been reportedly used in movies like the lord
of the rings, and is a secret weapon among certain
animators.

It's animation software.  Not CAD software.  But
Allegro is my CAD software  And miria is allegro with
the best Graphics software available in Lisp.  It's a
no brainer combination.  You could Load maxima into
the world and plot things.  Plotting wouldn't be
simple, but it would be a lot easier than if you are
doing it with C++.  I could go on an on about it. 
It's making me want to get it out and try to debug
things.  I have one evening and two more days of
college left.  I have been writing reports for days
now, on two programs for my classes.  I'm coming down
to the wire and I am very close to finishing, but I am
experiencing block after working on it straight for so
long.  I could spend years working with Mirai, it's
just such a wonderful graphical colorful animated
place to work on engineering.  But there is no
support.  back to work...

AKW

P.S.  I was being overly dramatic in my last email. 
Really.
> 
> Corey
> 
> On 12/10/06, Andrew Wolven <awolven at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I haven't read the thread but I will answer the
> > question... or...would use if the company were not
> so
> > vaporous.
> >
> > Mirai.  I have Allegro 5.0.1 based Mirai.
> > Unfortunately it breaks down alot on windows XP. 
> The
> > most fun part...the renderer.  They had gotten rid
> of
> > the lisp renderer because when they first ported
> to
> > allegro it was too slow, and some dumb thing,
> dealing
> > with the shell call is causing "nil is not the
> > expected type, numuber".  I am sure if I decided
> to
> > get really down to it I could patch the damn thing
> > myself, but then there is the fact that the
> > nodelicense, which is based on an ethernet mac
> > address, only works on this laptop when the
> wireless
> > or is connected.  Perhaps I would ask them if they
> > could cut a license for the cat 5 ethernet
> adapter,
> > but it was so friggen hard just to get my license
> > updated in the first place, i'm afraid to bother
> them.
> >
> > AFAIK they are probably either A. doing nothing,
> or B.
> > rewriting mirai in C++.  Probably B.  Either case
> the
> > Izware people are a perfect example of the classic
> > failures of major lisp based applications.  It is
> so
> > friggen sad it's heartbreaking.  The platform is
> > essentitially totally bitchen and ripe for insane
> > development.  [CAD person here]  It has a really
> nice
> > gui.  HI: Human Interface (you start it by saying
> > (hi:say-hi).  You could link in SMLIB and write a
> > constraint engine and develop your own friggen
> > proengineer or autodesk inventor with a few measly
> > dozen million or so.  All in lisp.  Integrated
> > Knowledge-Based Engineering.  Anything you want. 
> Web
> > deployment, sound, anything that you can run in
> > allegro...plus all the animation simulation stuff
> > possible from mirai and a solid modeler.
> >
> > THE ULTIMATE QUESTION IS!  Why did it fail!  It
> failed
> > because the Lisp Machine failed and they just
> couldn't
> > keep up in a C world.
> >
> > I would cry myself to sleep but I still have work
> to
> > do.
> >
> > ;) AKW
> >
> > --- Damien Kick <dkixk at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> > > On Dec 9, 2006, at 16:28, Corey Sweeney wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey, I was wondering, what lisp extensible
> > > applications do people use?
> > > >
> > > > Ones that I use, that I can think of right
> away
> > > are:
> > > > text editor               - emacs          -
> (uses
> > >  emacs lisp)
> > >
> > > Yeah, GNU Emacs or XEmacs and SLIME.
> > >
> > > > What other lisp extensible apps does everyone
> use?
> > >
> > > I have used Edi Wietz's Regex Coach, actually,
> to
> > > help me debug
> > > complicated regular expressions.  It is actually
> > > really cool to use
> > > it for that.  If one doesn't understand why a
> > > particular regular
> > > expression isn't matching in a way that one
> expects,
> > > one can just
> > > start typing the regular expression, and watch
> as
> > > what does match is
> > > highlighted.  As soon as things are no longer
> being
> > > highlighted as
> > > one wants, it's usually pretty obvious what went
> > > wrong.  But Regex
> > > Coach isn't extensible, so that doesn't really
> > > count, I suppose.
> > >
> > > I personally tend to use lisp mostly as a
> > > programming language.  As
> > > most of the time I spend coding is devoted to
> work,
> > > and the product
> > > on which I work doesn't use lisp, I don't get to
> > > spend a whole lot of
> > > time programming in lisp.  However, I do find
> > > excuses to use it.  For
> > > example, I have recently written a very
> simplistic
> > > telnet-stream and
> > > my own anemic version (but it does do what I
> need to
> > > get done) of Don
> > > Libe's Expect (because I don't much like Tcl) to
> > > automate remote
> > > software installations.
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > chicago-lisp site list
> > > chicago-lisp at common-lisp.net
> > >
> http://common-lisp.net/mailman/listinfo/chicago-lisp
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > chicago-lisp site list
> > chicago-lisp at common-lisp.net
> >
> http://common-lisp.net/mailman/listinfo/chicago-lisp
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> ((lambda (y) (y y)) (lambda (y) (y y)))
>