[asdf-devel] Alternate default lisp system location

Pascal Costanza pc at p-cos.net
Thu Mar 13 08:02:26 UTC 2014

If asdf provides a simple and well documented way of disabling a default directory, the it can be any name. Then it can be ensured that future users are happy, and at the same time, current setups are unaffected.


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On 13 Mar 2014, at 08:34, Attila Lendvai <attila.lendvai at gmail.com> wrote:

>> I *do* get the objection that Pascal had, and I absolutely agree that we
>> should not choose a directory name that will collide with existing
>> users' directories.
> when reading this i imagined my future child some decades down the road
> reading the ASDF manual (hopefull only for historical reasons while
> reifying CL semantics to have an environment where he can try his
> father's code)... and then pondering: what on earth made someone chose
> this weird ~/asdf-local-projects/ name instead of e.g. ~/common-lisp/
> :)
> IOW, i'd like to draw more attentinon to the fact that what we are
> weighting here is a few active complaints today from experts (who are
> already aware of this issue reading the mailing list, even before the
> change itself)... against all the yet to be born/educated CL
> programmers until the time when ASDF is eventually obsoleted (or for
> that matter CL altogether), and all the aggregate time these future
> people will waste reading manuals and asking questions.
> i think a tendency towards not taking this into consideration has a
> lot to do why the CL community is not successful. the defaults of
> slime is another very good example of this, although it got much
> better since the times when i first climbed the CL/Emacs fence.
> also note: as Fare already pointed out, if e.g. XCVB gains more
> traction, then some/most systems will have two system definition
> files, but all sitting under the asdf specific ~/asdf-local-projects/
> name.
> but hopefully by the time my children are old enough for programming
> computing systems will have finally obsoleted this silly idea that the
> base axioms for data storage is labeled binary numbers, and their
> labels organized into a tree... and with that rendering this whole
> question moot. hopefully...
> sorry for the sentiments.
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