<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body ><div>Could you guys all take me off your address list</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>Regards<div>Howard</div> <br><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: Faré <fahree@gmail.com> <br>Date: <br>To: Helmut Eller <eller.helmut@gmail.com> <br>Cc: João Távora <joaotavora@gmail.com>,slime-devel <slime-devel@common-lisp.net> <br>Subject: Re: [slime] swank-loader could use ASDF (#65) <br> <br><br>On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 2:53 AM, Helmut Eller <eller.helmut@gmail.com> wrote:<br>> On Wed, Jan 08 2014, Faré wrote:<br>><br>>>> As I said in a another message, I had experiences like this:<br>>>><br>>>> 1. (asdf:load-system foo),<br>>>> 2. then had some load-time problem,<br>>>> 3. cleaned out the cache,<br>>>> 4. and magically (asdf:load-system foo) worked.<br>>>><br>>> Are these experiences recent?<br>><br>> Maybe not. But I still clean the cache whenever there's the slightest<br>> suspicion that ASDF could be related to a problem. I'm sure you can fix<br>> bugs once identified, but fixing trust is another issue.<br>><br>Actually, before ASDF2 (mid 2010), no one could "fix bugs once<br>identified": there was no single person in charge, no way to push bug<br>fixes, a lot of bugs, and a good reason not to trust ASDF. But the<br>situation changed completely 3-4 years ago when I took over, made asdf<br>upgradable so that bug fixes could be pushed, and started fixing the<br>bugs and pushing the fixes. ASDF is a completely different beast these<br>days, and well tested thanks to Robert Goldman, Anton Vodonosov, Dave<br>Cooper and more. If your bad experiences were with versions of ASDF<br>older than that, I invite you to reconsider this trust issue.<br><br>—♯ƒ • François-René ÐVB Rideau •Reflection&Cybernethics• http://fare.tunes.org<br>Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it.<br> — Gandhi<br><br></body>