[slime-devel] Re: Macro indentation redux

Helmut Eller e9626484 at stud3.tuwien.ac.at
Tue Oct 19 07:02:31 UTC 2004

Peter Seibel <peter at javamonkey.com> writes:

> Yes. That seems to fix my problem. So when
> slime-conservative-indentation is T it doesn't use any information
> from Common Lisp? And since you disabled the with-* heuristic it
> doesn't get it right just using elisp? But then why did once-only get
> indented correctly?

If slime-conservative-indentation = t, SLIME ignores the hints for
symbols starting with def and with-.  The with- heuristic is disabled
in the new indent function so with-gensyms was indented like a
function call.  The hints for once-only are used independent of
> In other words, I'm much more interested in having an indentation mode
> that I can a) understand, b) extend/customize with Common Lisp code
> rather than more crufty elisp than I am in fixing emacs out-of-the box
> indentation. But that's just me and until I have time to actually cut
> code I'm just babbling.

The code in cl-indent.el may not be particularly easy to read, but I
think it does a damn good job.  It will be hard to write something
substantially better.

Using Common Lisp doesn't sound like an advantage to me.  Emacs Lisp
has lots of stuff that make writing indentation code easy: regexps,
forward and backward search, lowercase symbols without packages.  You
don't want to use INTERN or READ in Common Lisp for indentation
because that clobbers your packages.  No, I don't see what advantages
CL could have.

The problems with the def-* heuristics could also be solved with
something like (put 'default 'common-lisp-indent-function 0).  The
issue with backquote can be worked around simply by inserting a space
blank before the form, like "` (do ".  Both are very simple and
pragmatic solutions.

My point is that abandoning cl-indent.el too early, is like throwing
out the baby with the bath water. 

I think we should at least identify some examples for which the
current code fails and cannot be fixed easily before we do a massive

Keeping backward compatibility will make many people happy, too.


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