<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><div>There’s cl-ana, which may be a useful substitute in some cases… or april, possibly.</div><div><br></div><div><div style="display: block;"><div style="-webkit-user-select: all; -webkit-user-drag: element; display: inline-block;" class="apple-rich-link" draggable="true" role="link" data-url="https://www.cliki.net/cl-ana"><a style="border-radius:10px;font-family:-apple-system, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;display:block;-webkit-user-select:none;width:300px;user-select:none;-webkit-user-modify:read-only;user-modify:read-only;overflow:hidden;text-decoration:none;" class="lp-rich-link" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.cliki.net/cl-ana" dir="ltr" role="button" draggable="false" width="300"><table 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But, as I said, I am an academic (and a cat).<br><br></div><div>Should we (as in "a bunch of common lispers", most of whom with day jobs) want to do something like that, how would you want to proceed? Note that I have been part of many past failures.</div><div><br></div><div>All the best</div><div><br></div><div>Marco</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 1:01 AM Michael Bentley <<a href="mailto:michael@stray-labs.com">michael@stray-labs.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="auto"><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>IMHO, it'd be easier and effective to band up together and FIRST write a proper API specification and THEN implement it in CL.<br></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br><div>I agree. Here’s the API specification for NumPy: <a href="https://numpy.org/doc/stable/reference/index.html#reference" target="_blank">https://numpy.org/doc/stable/reference/index.html#reference</a></div><div><br></div><div>Looks rather intimidating. Less intimidating though, than doing the FFI dance, though.</div></div></div></blockquote></div>
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