<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Robert,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I must say that I am a big fan of your work on asdf and in awe of your professional and academic career.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I agree with your assessment that numpy and the entirety of NUMFocus would be well outside the scope of the current CL community.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">In an effort to conserve the momentum of this thread and channel the spirit of my time at Franz Inc, I'd like to emphasize that a lot can be accomplished by a small team with clear goals and roles.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I hope that if a such project arises that I can be of assistance.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Best regards,</div><div dir="auto">Elliott</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div id="composer_signature" dir="auto"><div style="font-size:12px;color:#575757" dir="auto">Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br></div><div align="left" dir="auto" style="font-size:100%;color:#000000"><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Robert Goldman <rpgoldman@sift.net> </div><div>Date: 4/11/23 1:07 PM (GMT-08:00) </div><div>To: Discussion list for Common Lisp professionals <pro@common-lisp.net> </div><div>Subject: Re: Numpy and Common Lisp? </div><div><br></div></div><div style="font-family: sans-serif;"><div style="white-space: normal;" class="plaintext"><p dir="auto">I don't mean to rain on the parade, but the development and maintenance of numpy consumes a level of resources that is simply beyond the capacity of the CL community to muster.</p>
<p dir="auto">The NUMFocus project, a non-profit, supports this and other numerical computation projects (most, but not exclusively python), drawing on substantial amounts of corporate sponsorship.</p>
<p dir="auto">I urge you to cast your eyes on this NumFOCUS sponsors list before thinking that our community could even begin to tackle this task: <a style="color: #3983C4;" href="https://numfocus.org/sponsors">https://numfocus.org/sponsors</a></p>
<p dir="auto">On 11 Apr 2023, at 7:14, Steven Nunez wrote:</p>
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<div>On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 07:45:50 PM GMT+8, Elliott Johnson <elliott@elliottjohnson.net> wrote:</div>
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<div>FYI - there appears to be a library called numcl that was written to cover numpy's functionality.</div>
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<div>I've yet to try it, but thought I'd pass along the link.</div>
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<div>Date: 4/11/23 3:53 AM (GMT-08:00)</div>
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<div>There’s cl-ana, which may be a useful substitute in some cases… or april, possibly.</div>
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<div>If you specifically want numpy, it may be possible to have Common Lisp talking to python.</div>
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<div>Should we (as in "a bunch of common lispers", most of whom with day jobs) want to do something like that, how would you want to proceed? Note that I have been part of many past failures.</div>
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<div>I agree. Here’s the API specification for NumPy: <a href="https://numpy.org/doc/stable/reference/index.html#reference" shape="rect" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">https://numpy.org/doc/stable/reference/index.html#reference</a></div>
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<div>Looks rather intimidating. Less intimidating though, than doing the FFI dance, though.</div>
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