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<body><div>Sure, but I'm afraid that the problem with CDR process is that if you don't get buy-in from implementors first, it will go nowhere. Right now the CDR repository is mostly a dump for half-baked ideas. Is there even one that has been adopted by at least two CL implementations *after* publication ?<br></div>
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<blockquote type="cite"><div style="font-family:sans-serif;"><div style="white-space:normal;"><p>It might be nice to get some of the APIs that are in UIOP into CDRs. I'd love to see some of that code moved to the implementations where it belongs, and out of the ASDF codebase.<br></p><p><div>cheers,<br></div>
<div> r<br></div>
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<p>On 24 May 2018, at 3:34, Antoniotti Marco wrote:<br></p></div>
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<blockquote type="cite"><div>On May 23, 2018, at 11:57 , Svante v. Erichsen <<a href="mailto:Svante.v.Erichsen@web.de">Svante.v.Erichsen@web.de</a>> wrote:<br></div>
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<div> Hi<br></div>
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<div> I agree that hosting seems not to be the issue. It just needs to be corrected in CDR 4 (adjusting URLs is allowed).<br></div>
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<div>Yep.. That should be fixed.<br></div>
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<blockquote type="cite">I was just asking about the existing procedure, in whatever state that may be, as I am considering participation. Of course, this should be taken to the CDR mailinglists instead, sorry for that.<br></blockquote><div><br></div>
<div>The procedure is quite simple. I quote:<br></div>
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<div><div><ul><li>One or more authors submit a document.<br></li><li>We (*) check that the document is a printable text document, that it is indeed about Common Lisp, and that it does not contain objectionable material (like porn, religious or political statements, etc.).<br></li><li>The document will be immediately assigned a fresh CDR number that can be used to refer to the document. We will make the document available for an initial period, after which it will be frozen and moved into final status, unless the authors decide
to withdraw the document during the initial period.<br></li></ul></div>
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<div>(*) the “editors”<br></div>
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<div>Apart from my guilty delinquency on redoing the web site, most of the work has been taking care of spam (an inordinate amount of French spam - go figure) on the mailing lists.<br></div>
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<blockquote type="cite">I disagree about the judgement of the perceived lack of contributions, though. I feel that it is perfectly valid not to have itches that would need to be scratched on the language level.<br></blockquote><div><br></div>
<div>Of course. I do not think that any of the 14 CDRs “scratch itches at the language level”.<br></div>
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<div>Having said so, I do believe that a few more CDRs would go a long way to clarify the corner cases of the language while nudging all the implementations (if they are “nudge-able”) to implement them.<br></div>
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<div>Cheers<br></div>
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<div>MA<br></div>
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<div>Yours aye<br></div>
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<div> Svante<br></div>
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<div> Am 23. Mai 2018 08:40:14 MESZ, schrieb Antoniotti Marco <<a href="mailto:antoniotti.marco@disco.unimib.it">antoniotti.marco@disco.unimib.it</a>>:<br></div>
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<blockquote type="cite"><div>Hi<br></div>
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<div> I don’t think the problem is the hosting; CLL works just fine and CDR<br></div>
<div> hold only “finished” documents. I think that the main problem is the<br></div>
<div> *lack* of contributions, which somehow reflects the overall status of<br></div>
<div> the community.<br></div>
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<div> How to change the attitude of the community into seeing value in what<br></div>
<div> is in effect a “bottom up” standardization effort, I sincerely don’t<br></div>
<div> know.<br></div>
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<div> Cheers<br></div>
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<div> MA<br></div>
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<blockquote type="cite">On May 22, 2018, at 13:14 , Alexandre Rademaker<br></blockquote><div><<a href="mailto:arademaker@gmail.com">arademaker@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div>
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<div>Back in 2013, ECL in Madrid, I remember some discussions about the<br></div>
</blockquote><div>future of CDR. It would be nice to compare with other similar<br></div>
<div> initiatives such as <br></div>
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<div>Python :<a href="https://www.python.org/dev/peps/">https://www.python.org/dev/peps/</a><br></div>
<div> Erlang : <a href="http://www.erlang.org/erlang-enhancement-proposals/home"> http://www.erlang.org/erlang-enhancement-proposals/home</a><br></div>
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<div> I’ve also tried to see how Haskell and Racket deal with that. I found<br></div>
</blockquote><div>this<a href="https://www.quora.com/Is-there-anything-like-PEP-but-for-Haskell"> https://www.quora.com/Is-there-anything-like-PEP-but-for-Haskell</a><br></div>
<div> about Racket. Racket seems to use Github issues<br></div>
<div> <a href="https://github.com/racket/racket/issues">https://github.com/racket/racket/issues</a><br></div>
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<div>Is there still a place for CDR? If so, maybe we can simply use the<br></div>
</blockquote><div>GitHub infrastructure? We may also try to find incentives to CDR<br></div>
<div> submissions? Maybe associating it to short-papers in ECL/ECLM? <br></div>
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<div>Best,<br></div>
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<div> Alexandre Rademaker<br></div>
<div> http://arademaker.github.io<br></div>
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<blockquote type="cite">On 22 May 2018, at 06:53, Antoniotti Marco<br></blockquote></blockquote><div><antoniotti.marco@disco.unimib.it> wrote:<br></div>
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<div>Hi<br></div>
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<div> I have been somewhat stewarding the project, but do not have much<br></div>
</blockquote></blockquote><div>time to do maintenance (read: revamping the web site) at all.<br></div>
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<div>It must also be said that there have not been submissions for CDRs,<br></div>
</blockquote></blockquote><div>or requests for much change to old ones in a long time as far as I<br></div>
<div> could tell.<br></div>
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<div>All the best<br></div>
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<div> Marco<br></div>
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<blockquote type="cite">On May 22, 2018, at 11:43 , Svante v. Erichsen<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><div><Svante.v.Erichsen@web.de> wrote:<br></div>
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<div>Hi!<br></div>
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<div> I'd certainly want this project to continue, so I'd consider<br></div>
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><div>participating in it. Can you give a rough estimate of the frequency of<br></div>
<div> requests and the effort needed to address them?<br></div>
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<div>I am a bit confused that the project actually seems to reside at<br></div>
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><div>common-lisp.net, but claims to be hosted at cdr.eurolisp.org (which<br></div>
<div> redirects to Edi's homepage). How is the work organized technically? Is<br></div>
<div> there a version control repository?<br></div>
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<div>Yours aye<br></div>
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<div> Svante<br></div>
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<div> Am 22. Mai 2018 10:50:20 MESZ, schrieb Pascal Costanza<br></div>
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><div><pc@p-cos.net>:<br></div>
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<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Hi,<br></div>
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<div> The Common Lisp Document Repository (CDR -<br></div>
<div> https://common-lisp.net/project/cdr/) is for all practical<br></div>
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><div>purposes<br></div>
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<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">currently unmaintained. We have been receiving a few minor<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><div>requests<br></div>
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<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><div>recently, but don’t have the time anymore to take care of this.<br></div>
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<div> Is there somebody else in the community who would like to take<br></div>
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><div>over and<br></div>
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<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><div>breathe some new life into this project?<br></div>
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<div> Thanks,<br></div>
<div> Pascal<br></div>
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<div> Pascal Costanza<br></div>
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