Advice sought on structuring a system

[Steve Haflich]

This reply has nothing to do with the question, but you may be interested
to learn that there is a useful entry for Change Ringing in the Harvard
Dictionary of Music, which ends "Change ringing is still widely practiced
in England."  I'm paraphrasing from memory 40 years ago, but the 1st
edition of the Dictionary (hard to find) added "It is a typical English
recreation providing healthful physical exercise coupled with some simple
intellectual effort."  This last sentence disappeared in the 2nd ed.

Thought you'd want to know all this while pondering ASDF.


On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Don Morrison <dfm2 at cmu.edu> wrote:

> I'm tidying up a library of code, Roan (for building things that play with
> change ringing, you probably don't want to know the details :-), for
> eventual inclusion in Quicklisp. In thinking about its dependencies I've
> run into an issue I'm not sure how best to address. I asked Zach Beane for
> advice, but he, too, isn't sure how best to deal with it, and suggested I
> consult folks on this list.
>
> My library has dependencies upon several others, all readily available
> from Quicklisp. One them, though, cl-sqlite (or perhaps it's better
> referred to as sqlite, it's rather conflicted about what it wants to call
> itself) in turn has a dependency on a binary library, sqlite3. For example,
> if the sqlite3 binary library is not install, doing
>
> (ql:quickload :sqlite)
>
> signals an error when it's setting up FFI things.
>
> However Roan's use of SQLite is not essential to Roan's usefulness (well,
> it's probably not all that useful to most people anyway, only to those
> interested in change ringing, a small audience). There's really only one,
> tiny corner of functionality in Roan it supports. While sqlite3 is easily
> obtained, it would seem polite to allow use of Roan without it, simply
> disabling  the two functions that depend upon it. The "disable if the
> cl-sqlite stuff is not present" part I can easily do. What's causing me to
> scratch my head is figuring out how to set things up so Roan will still
> install whether or not the sqlite3 binary library is present.
>
> Three unattractive possibilities that come to mind are
>
> - Define two different roan ASDF systems: one consisting of most stuff,
> without the SQLite-dependent bits, and the other the "real" one that loads
> the first plus cl-sqlite. Then the user picks which one to load based on
> need.
>
> - Define something to push onto *features* that, if present, comments out
> in roan.asd the dependency on cl-sqlite, etc. Then the user has to push the
> appropriate keyword onto *features* before loading roan, if she doesn't
> have sqlite3.
>
> - I'm guessing I could probably include some code in the roan.asd file
> that does something or other nasty looking for the binary library, and then
> adjusts the defsystem appropriately or something (ugh).
>
> None of these is particularly appealing. The first two seem to put too
> much on the shoulders of the poor luser who just wants to load the darn
> thing without having to think about lower level stuff, and the last (a)
> seems to confound too much actually doing complex, kludgy stuff with what
> should be just declarative, and (b) is something I seriously doubt I'd get
> right, especially in a portable way.
>
> It seems there has got to be A Better Way. Has anyone dealt with a similar
> situation? Or, even if not, might you have a good idea?
>
> I suppose an attractive possibility might be to wrap some sort of
> condition handler around the place inside ASDF that's trying to load the
> cl-sqlite dependency, but I don't know my way around the ASDF internals
> enough to have a sense of where that should be done, or if it's even
> practical. Is there a good place inside of ASDF to do such a thing? It
> seems fairly modular, so it seems likely. Maybe it's as easy as defining a
> specialized method of some sort, or an :around method on something or other?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
> --
> Don Morrison <dfm2 at cmu.edu>
> "There were two cultures, as far as he was concerned. One was the real
> one, the other was occupied by people who liked machinery and ate
> pizza at unreasonable hours."          -- Terry Pratchett, _The Last Hero_
>
>
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