[pro] pro Digest, Vol 4, Issue 13
Steve Morin
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Fri Dec 17 17:04:42 UTC 2010
Thanks for all the responses this is great
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> 1. How to interact with a running lisp instance? (Steve Morin)
> 2. Re: How to interact with a running lisp instance? (Jack Harper)
> 3. Re: How to interact with a running lisp instance? (David Owen)
> 4. Re: How to interact with a running lisp instance? (Peter Herth)
> 5. Re: How to interact with a running lisp instance? (Tom Emerson)
> 6. Re: How to interact with a running lisp instance? (Sam Steingold)
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> Subject: [pro] How to interact with a running lisp instance?
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> How to interact with a running lisp instance? I have been trying to figure
> this out. I know this is being done with slime. Does any one have any
> good
> pointer on this. I am thinking of writing a web application and would like
> to be able to update it on the fly for updates and bug fixes.
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> From: Jack Harper <jharper at frobenius.com>
> Subject: Re: [pro] How to interact with a running lisp instance?
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> ...an interesting idea.
>
> Years ago (1984), I had dinner with Nils Nilsson (AI pioneer) and he
> mentioned the idea that he wanted to build a system that once alive would
> never be powered down again - in his view a minor but necessary prerequisite
> of an AI system.
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> It will be interesting to see what people will say about how to do this.
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> Regards to the List
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> Jack Harper
> Secure Outcomes Inc
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> On Dec 16, 2010, at 12:25, Steve Morin <steve.morin at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > How to interact with a running lisp instance? I have been trying to
> figure this out. I know this is being done with slime. Does any one have
> any good pointer on this. I am thinking of writing a web application and
> would like to be able to update it on the fly for updates and bug fixes.
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> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 08:31:31 -0700 (MST)
> From: David Owen <dsowen at fugue88.ws>
> Subject: Re: [pro] How to interact with a running lisp instance?
> To: pro at common-lisp.net
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> On Thu, 16 Dec 2010, Steve Morin wrote:
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> > How to interact with a running lisp instance? ?I have been trying to
> figure
> > this out. ?I know this is being done with slime. ?Does any one have any
> good
> > pointer on this. ?I am thinking of writing a web application and would
> like
> > to be able to update it on the fly for updates and bug fixes.
>
> I run a Lisp webapp from detachtty. It leaves a Unix socket around so you
> can talk to the fake tty later. I have done live-updates using this.
>
> http://www.cliki.net/detachtty
>
> Whether you pass functions as functions or symbols in various places can
> have an impact on your ability to do a live update (symbols being an
> indirect reference, are more conducive).
>
> -David
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> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:34:44 +0100
> From: Peter Herth <herth at peter-herth.de>
> Subject: Re: [pro] How to interact with a running lisp instance?
> To: Steve Morin <steve.morin at gmail.com>
> Cc: pro at common-lisp.net
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> Hi Steve,
>
> when I am running server-style lisp applications, I actually do start
> swank (the lisp side of slime) in it and at any time I wish, I can
> connect with slime to it and interact.
>
> Peter
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> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 10:35:20 -0500
> From: Tom Emerson <tremerson at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pro] How to interact with a running lisp instance?
> To: Steve Morin <steve.morin at gmail.com>
> Cc: pro at common-lisp.net
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> The following blog post describes how to get Hunchentoot running on a Linux
> box with Swank running so that you can connect to the Lisp instance running
> the webserver through Slime:
>
> http://blog.ponto-dot.com/2010/08/15/setting-up-common-lisp-on-a-web-server
>
> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Steve Morin <steve.morin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > How to interact with a running lisp instance? I have been trying to
> figure
> > this out. I know this is being done with slime. Does any one have any
> good
> > pointer on this. I am thinking of writing a web application and would
> like
> > to be able to update it on the fly for updates and bug fixes.
> > _______________________________________________
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> --
> Tom Emerson
> tremerson at gmail.com
> http://treerex.blogspot.com/
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> From: Sam Steingold <sds at gnu.org>
> Subject: Re: [pro] How to interact with a running lisp instance?
> To: Steve Morin <steve.morin at gmail.com>
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> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Steve Morin <steve.morin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > How to interact with a running lisp instance? ?I have been trying to
> figure
> > this out. ?I know this is being done with slime. ?Does any one have any
> good
> > pointer on this. ?I am thinking of writing a web application and would
> like
> > to be able to update it on the fly for updates and bug fixes.
>
> The best generic answer is probably the following:
> if you have started something at the REPL, you can interrupt the
> process (Ctrl-C or something like that)
> and bet a "break" prompt, from which you can do everything you can do
> from the regular prompt: load/compile files,
> define functions, fix bugs &c &c &c.
> Then you should be able to continue the process you just interrupted.
>
> A less generic answer would be to start an extra thread which would be
> listening on a port and then you can connect to that port to get a
> lisp prompt without interrupting all the other processes currently
> running.
> Then you can do everything (load/compile files, define functions, fix
> bugs &c &c &c) and the lisp should be able to figure out which
> processes have to be stopped for which actions (e.g., a process using
> CLOS might have to be stopped while low-level MOP stuff is redefined).
> You (and the lisp implementors) have to be careful, of course, about
> the safe points when things can be interrupted and watch out for the
> little things like if you interrupt lisp inside a recursive function F
> and redefine F, or if you redefine F by connecting to a separate
> thread, then you don't know whether the recursive calls to F will be
> using the new or the old definition of F unless you disassemble the
> old definition of F and find out whether the recursive call is
> compiled as a jump (old definition will be used) or as a (FUNCALL #'F)
> (also old definition) or as a (FUNCALL 'F) (new definition will be
> used).
>
>
> --
> Sam Steingold <http://sds.podval.org>
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