From wolfgang.mederle at stud.uni-muenchen.de Wed Feb 9 15:45:20 2005
From: wolfgang.mederle at stud.uni-muenchen.de (Wolfgang Mederle)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:45:20 +0100
Subject: [munich-lisp] MLUG meeting
Message-ID: <64f19e6c316855c1ccbb273aa7989119@stud.uni-muenchen.de>
Listers, Lispers,
I have an official reservation for our meeting room now. It's going to
be room 1.05, reserved from 17:00-22:00. We have a projector (1024x768)
and should also have internet access.
You get to the room by entering the building at the main entrance
(aisle has map), turning right, going up, turning right again and
walking along until you see the number on the right.
I'd like to advertise the meeting to our students. What are you
planning to show/discuss?
Regards,
Wolfgang
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From abu at software-lab.de Wed Feb 9 16:00:25 2005
From: abu at software-lab.de (Alexander Burger)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:00:25 +0100
Subject: [munich-lisp] MLUG meeting
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Hi Wolfgang,
> I have an official reservation for our meeting room now. It's going to
> be room 1.05, reserved from 17:00-22:00. We have a projector (1024x768)
> and should also have internet access.
Ok, that's nice. Thank you.
> I'd like to advertise the meeting to our students. What are you
> planning to show/discuss?
Jim asked me to talk about the Pico Lisp object system. For a better
understanding, I'd like to give a basic introduction to Pico Lisp and an
overview about its vertical architecture first, making the reasons
behind that object system more clear. I'll keep the presentation as open
as possible to allow room for disucssions.
Cheers,
- Alex
Alexander Burger
Software Lab. / 7fach GmbH
Bahnhofstr. 24a, D-86462 Langweid
abu at software-lab.de, http://www.software-lab.de, +49 821 9907090
From jimka at rdrop.com Wed Feb 9 19:01:35 2005
From: jimka at rdrop.com (Jim Newton)
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:01:35 +0100
Subject: [munich-lisp] MLUG meeting
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If there are non-lispers invited then perhaps it might be
nice to have an ongoing series of lectures (half hour plus
questions) about cool lisp features or maybe Lisp for Dummies.
This could also be useful for lisp beginners as well.
Some examples.
* How to use CLOS.
* Methods before, after, around
* Lexical vs dynamic scoping
* Lexical closures, and higher order functions
* Looping, iteration, and recursion
* Implementing common data structues, queues, sets, tree, etc.
* Installing LISP on your computer, which implementation,
which architecture, which version?
* Macros, why do we need them, what can we do with them?
* Comparing common patterns in Perl, Python, Java, C, and LISP
Is anyone interested in seeing any of these or other item
presented? Does anyone volunteer to present such a topic
for this meeting or an upcoming one?
-jim
Wolfgang Mederle wrote:
> Listers, Lispers,
>
> I have an official reservation for our meeting room now. It's going to
> be room 1.05, reserved from 17:00-22:00. We have a projector (1024x768)
> and should also have internet access.
>
> You get to the room by entering the building at the main entrance (aisle
> has map), turning right, going up, turning right again and walking along
> until you see the number on the right.
>
> I'd like to advertise the meeting to our students. What are you planning
> to show/discuss?
>
> Regards,
>
> Wolfgang
>
From andy at splashground.de Wed Feb 9 20:19:59 2005
From: andy at splashground.de (Andreas Hauser)
Date: 9 Feb 2005 20:19:59 -0000
Subject: [munich-lisp] MLUG meeting
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jimka wrote @ Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:01:35 +0100:
> If there are non-lispers invited then perhaps it might be
> nice to have an ongoing series of lectures (half hour plus
> questions) about cool lisp features or maybe Lisp for Dummies.
> This could also be useful for lisp beginners as well.
I am probably the least advanced, so i try to give feedback.
> Some examples.
>
> * How to use CLOS.
Probably not done right. I would expect Lists as Objects wrapped in macros.
If it is something else only then i would be interested.
> * Methods before, after, around
dunno what that means.
> * Lexical vs dynamic scoping
dunno if that's interesting
> * Lexical closures, and higher order functions
> * Looping, iteration, and recursion
> * Implementing common data structues, queues, sets, tree, etc.
Not really interested, that is common in the ML languages.
> * Installing LISP on your computer, which implementation,
> which architecture, which version?
Not really.
Seems like ppl use cmucl or sbcl or clisp or commercial.
If it was about scheme this would be more interesting.
> * Macros, why do we need them, what can we do with them?
Have read a book by graham, i think he says all there is too say.
Summary, macros are cool, cause the language itself is data.
Yes other languages would profit from that feature, too.
> * Comparing common patterns in Perl, Python, Java, C, and LISP
There is a book by Mark Jason Dominus coming out just now,
who tries to do LISP stuff in perl.
It's also avalable here:
http://www.cpan.org/authors/id/MJD/book.html
Andy
From jimka at rdrop.com Fri Feb 11 06:31:44 2005
From: jimka at rdrop.com (Jim Newton)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 07:31:44 +0100
Subject: [munich-lisp] [Fwd: European Common Lisp Meeting, Amsterdam,
April 2005]
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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: European Common Lisp Meeting, Amsterdam, April 2005
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 00:10:23 +0100
From: Edi Weitz
To: cmucl-help at cons.org, cmucl-imp at cons.org
[Apologies if you get this announcement more than once.]
Hi!
Arthur Lemmens and I are trying to organize a "European Common Lisp
Meeting" and I think we've managed to assemble a quite impressive
line-up of speakers.
The meeting will be in Amsterdam on April 24, 2005, and here's the
list of the fellow Lispers who'll give a talk:
- Jans Aasman
- Dave Fox
- Luke Gorrie
- Antonio Menezes Leitao
- Christophe Rhodes
- Robert Strandh
- Espen Vestre
All details can be found on this website:
We hope that very many of you will be able to attend this meeting and
make it a success. Please, if you consider joining us, use the
registration facility that can be found at the website above.
We're looking forward to seeing you in Amsterdam in April!
Cheers,
Edi.
From Christian.Schuhegger at gmx.de Fri Feb 11 12:50:47 2005
From: Christian.Schuhegger at gmx.de (Christian Schuhegger)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:50:47 +0100
Subject: [munich-lisp] MLUG meeting
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Jim Newton schrieb:
> If there are non-lispers invited then perhaps it might be
> nice to have an ongoing series of lectures (half hour plus
> questions) about cool lisp features or maybe Lisp for Dummies.
> This could also be useful for lisp beginners as well.
>
> Some examples.
>
> * How to use CLOS.
> * Methods before, after, around
> * Lexical vs dynamic scoping
> * Lexical closures, and higher order functions
> * Looping, iteration, and recursion
> * Implementing common data structues, queues, sets, tree, etc.
> * Installing LISP on your computer, which implementation,
> which architecture, which version?
> * Macros, why do we need them, what can we do with them?
> * Comparing common patterns in Perl, Python, Java, C, and LISP
>
>
> Is anyone interested in seeing any of these or other item
> presented? Does anyone volunteer to present such a topic
> for this meeting or an upcoming one?
I personally would be interested in seeing how other people use the lisp
package system plus defsystem3, defsystem4 or asdf. Which naming schemes
do people use to name their packages? Do people set-up and use the lisp
logical pathnames like with defsystem3? What about the old (require ...)
and (provide ...) forms?
I also would be interested in seeing how people use the lisp conditions
system to deal with errors.
Besides that I think one of the biggest obstacles for newbies is to get
going with lisp. This does not only mean how to install a lisp system
but also how to set-up a work environment like emacs plus ilisp and how
to solve little simple problems from scratch. Or even how to create
simple standalone executables.
Every programming language depends heavily on its documentation.
Therefore it might be a good idea aswell to show people the available
documentation resources like cltl2 or the ansi standard plus additional
online available material.
--
Christian Schuhegger
http://www.el-chef.de