From sellout42 at mac.com  Wed Jun 14 07:41:29 2006
From: sellout42 at mac.com (Greg Pfeil)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 00:41:29 -0700
Subject: [movitz-devel] Movitz and Parallels
Message-ID: <5FD129B3-23A4-44A3-8FD1-5A83366F9EF6@mac.com>

I recently got a MacBook and thought I would try to use Movitz on it  
with Parallels Desktop. However, I can not manage to get the image to  
boot at all. If I try to load any of them images as floppy images, it  
complains that they're invalid. If I set the los0 or my own images as  
my hard drive, the VM just stops pretty quickly. If I use the los0 
+grub image as the drive, it gets to grub, but then gives me a "24 :  
Attempt to access block outside partition" error when it tries to  
boot Movitz. I've also tried expanding the image size and other  
things, but with no promising results.

Has anyone gotten this to work with Parallels? Am I simply doing  
something wrong? Is there any reason to expect that Movitz won't work  
on the MacBook?

Thanks for your help.
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From ffjeld at common-lisp.net  Wed Jun 14 08:10:57 2006
From: ffjeld at common-lisp.net (Frode Vatvedt Fjeld)
Date: 14 Jun 2006 10:10:57 +0200
Subject: [movitz-devel] Re: Movitz and Parallels
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Message-ID: <2hbqswtawe.fsf@vserver.cs.uit.no>

Greg Pfeil <sellout42 at mac.com> writes:

> [..] Has anyone gotten this to work with Parallels? Am I simply
> doing something wrong? Is there any reason to expect that Movitz
> won't work on the MacBook?

Hi Greg,

What is "Parallels Desktop"?

I thought perhaps the MacBooks didn't emply the good-old BIOS
bootloader, but on the other hand if GRUB in general works, then it
should work (although it's been a while since I tried GRUB myself).

-- 
Frode Vatvedt Fjeld



From sellout42 at mac.com  Wed Jun 14 08:19:39 2006
From: sellout42 at mac.com (Gregory Martin Pfeil)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 01:19:39 -0700
Subject: [movitz-devel] Re: Movitz and Parallels
In-Reply-To: <2hbqswtawe.fsf@vserver.cs.uit.no>
References: <5FD129B3-23A4-44A3-8FD1-5A83366F9EF6@mac.com>
	<2hbqswtawe.fsf@vserver.cs.uit.no>
Message-ID: <6ACE54F3-8065-4D1C-872A-BFFBF8F1CA55@mac.com>

On 14 Jun 2006, at 1:10, Frode Vatvedt Fjeld wrote:

> Greg Pfeil <sellout42 at mac.com> writes:
>
>> [..] Has anyone gotten this to work with Parallels? Am I simply
>> doing something wrong? Is there any reason to expect that Movitz
>> won't work on the MacBook?
>
> Hi Greg,
>
> What is "Parallels Desktop"?

Oh, sorry. I'm so immersed in the Mac world anymore, that I forget  
that others aren't. Parallels is like VMWare, but works on Intel Macs  
(http://www.parallels.com/en/products/desktop/).

> I thought perhaps the MacBooks didn't emply the good-old BIOS
> bootloader, but on the other hand if GRUB in general works, then it
> should work (although it's been a while since I tried GRUB myself).

*shrug* I don't know. It's been a while since I've paid any attention  
to the BIOS on a computer.


From ffjeld at common-lisp.net  Wed Jun 14 08:57:24 2006
From: ffjeld at common-lisp.net (Frode Vatvedt Fjeld)
Date: 14 Jun 2006 10:57:24 +0200
Subject: [movitz-devel] Re: Movitz and Parallels
References: <5FD129B3-23A4-44A3-8FD1-5A83366F9EF6@mac.com>
	<2hbqswtawe.fsf@vserver.cs.uit.no>
	<6ACE54F3-8065-4D1C-872A-BFFBF8F1CA55@mac.com>
Message-ID: <2h64j4t8qz.fsf@vserver.cs.uit.no>

Gregory Martin Pfeil <sellout42 at mac.com> writes:

> Oh, sorry. I'm so immersed in the Mac world anymore, that I forget
> that others aren't. Parallels is like VMWare, but works on Intel
> Macs (http://www.parallels.com/en/products/desktop/).

I see, that means that the Mac BIOS doesn't really come into play. And
indeed Movitz should work with Parallels VM. It might be that they
have made some shortcuts or mistakes in the BIOS bootup simulation
(this seems to be a rather new product). It's kind of hard to say what
might be the problem based on your description.. You could perhaps try
to pad the floppy image to be of the correct 1.44MB size, in case
that's why its being considered invalid. Is it possible to get some
more detailed messages from the VM? I don't have an intel Mac myself,
so I can't test it.

-- 
Frode Vatvedt Fjeld



From sidney at sidney.com  Fri Jun 30 10:34:41 2006
From: sidney at sidney.com (Sidney Markowitz)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 22:34:41 +1200
Subject: [movitz-devel] Re: Movitz and Parallels
Message-ID: <44A4FE41.9030605@sidney.com>

I got Movitz running under Parallels on an Intel Mac OS X. You can
probably think of equivalent steps, but here is what I did:

1. Using the latest CVS sources, I loaded movitz/load.lisp in sbcl, used
(create-image) and (dump-image) to get an image file.

2. I created a linux virtual machine configured with the CDROM attached
to an iso image file of a handy linux live CD distribution. I used DSL
(Damn Small Linux) as it was an easy 50 Mb download and had what I
needed. I also created a new floppy disk image file attached to its
floppy drive. The default network configuration puts the virtual and the
real machine on a common local subnet.

3. I booted the virtual machine into DSL linux.

4. I opened a command shell and used scp to transfer the Movitz image
file created in step 1 from my real machine to the home directory (on
/ramdrive) of the virtual machine.

5. I used the shell command

  dd if=los0-image.img of=/dev/fd0 bs=512

to copy the Movitz image file contents into the virtual machine's floppy
disk image.

6. I shut down the virtual machine properly. In DSL linux that is done
from the right-click menu (remember that Parallel gives you a right
click on the one-button mouse when you do a ctrl-shift-click unless you
have changed the preferences). Other linux desktops would have you use a
toolbar menu or shutdown -h now on the command line. Just make sure you
do what you need to ensure that the floppy disk is properly written out to.

Now the floppy image file that is attached to the virtual machine
contains the Movitz image and will boot. Remember to disconnect the
linux iso file from the virtual CD drive before rebooting.

I'm new to Movitz so I haven't played much with it to see what works and
doesn't work under Parallels. It did get to an INIT> prompt and (+ 1 1)
evaluated to #x2.

 -- Sidney Markowitz
    sidney at sidney.com