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This file contains the logs of the mail conversations between various
copyright holders in "A guided tour of CLIM" published in ACM Lisp
Pointers 1991. It purpose is to document that we got permission for
reusing the original authors' work.

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From: Clemens Fruhwirth <clemens at endorphin.org>
To: rao at inxight.com
Subject: CLIM a guided tour
X-Mailer: MH-E 7.84; nmh 1.1; XEmacs 21.5  (beta22)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:27:28 +0100

Hello!

I hope I got the correct "Ramona Rao", that is, the one that has
co-authored "A Guided Tour of CLIM". McCLIM is an effort to provide a
free CLIM environment for recent CL implementations like SBCL, CMUCL,
et al. The community hasn't come up with a useful and short
documentation like your tour to introduce users to
CLIM. Unfortunately, CLIM has changed and the examples included in the
article don't run anymore.

I would like to update this article to produce a tutorial for the McCLIM
community. Given the age of the article I presume that the interest in
commercial exploitation has also faded. Therefore, I would like to ask,
if it's possible to obtain any TeX source for this article. If the
source got lost, I could also extract the text and reformat it. Of
course, I would need your permission for these actions. Also, I'm not
sure if that's ok for ACM. Is any of that possible?

Thanks in advance!

P.S.: I found your article here http://lemonodor.com/archives/000765.html
-- 
Fruhwirth Clemens - http://clemens.endorphin.org 
for robots: sp4mtrap at endorphin.org

From: Clemens Fruhwirth <clemens at endorphin.org>
To: dennis.doughty at pantero.com
Subject: A guided tour of CLIM - permission for 2005 update
X-Mailer: MH-E 7.84; nmh 1.1; XEmacs 21.5  (beta22)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:03:07 +0100

Hello Mr. Doughty,

Together with Ramana Rao and Bill York, you have authored the article "A
guided tour of CLIM" for ACM in 1991. CLIM has changed much since 1991,
especially with the release of the CLIM 2 specification. 

The CLIM community lacks a good and short introduction to CLIM like your
article was. I would like to update the examples in your article and
also rewrite parts of the article that doesn't apply to the new
CLIM. Assuming your permission for this action, I intend to publish this
update on my webpage to aid the CLIM community.

Ramano Rao as well as Bill York give me permission for this update. ACM
also acknowledged this step. Now, I would like to ask, if this is ok
with you. 

Thank you,
Clemens

P.S. Here are the mails from Ramana Rao, ACM and Bill York: 

Subject: RE: CLIM a guided tour
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:47:05 -0800
From: "Ramana Rao" <rao at inxight.com>
To: "Clemens Fruhwirth" <clemens at endorphin.org>
Cc: "Bill York" <york at comergent.com>

Clemens,
Unfortunately, I don't seem to be able to get my hands on the original
tex source for that article.  I happily give you permission to adapt the
text as supports the CLIM community.  I've really been out of touch and
would be curious to hear any highlights of what's happening there.

Meanwhile, Bill York may be able to put his hands on the tex source.

Thanks,
Ramana

Subject: RE: CLIM a guided tour
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:31:21 -0600
From: "Bill York" <york at comergent.com>
To: "Clemens Fruhwirth" <clemens at endorphin.org>
Cc: "Ramana Rao" <rao at inxight.com>

I don't seem to have the source file. Good luck in your efforts.

From: Deborah Cotton <cotton at hq.acm.org>
To: 'Clemens Fruhwirth' <clemens at endorphin.org>
Cc: permissions at acm.org
Subject: RE: Update to http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=121996
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:56:15 -0500 
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72)

Dear Mr. Fruhwirth,

Thank you for your inquiry, and interest in ACM publications.  

Because the article in question appeared in a SIG newsletter, rather than a
journal or conference proceedings, the authors retained copyright. In
this case, ACM only requires acknowledgment of the original publication.

You have received permission from two of the three authors, but you
should also pursue the third author's permission, especially since you
have revised the original work.

Let me know if you have any further questions.

Best regards,

Deborah Cotton
Copyright & Permissions
ACM Publications
212.869.7440 ext. 652
212.869.0481 fax
permissions at acm.org 

-- 
Fruhwirth Clemens - http://clemens.endorphin.org 
for robots: sp4mtrap at endorphin.org

From: Robert Strandh <strandh at labri.fr>
Message-ID: <17326.56044.483289.241972 at serveur5.labri.fr>
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 18:46:20 +0100
To: clemens at endorphin.org
Subject: forwarded message from Dennis Doughty

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We got the permission!

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From: Dennis Doughty <doughty at alum.mit.edu>
To:  strandh at labri.fr
Subject: Re: permission to update your CLIM article
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 06:51:05 -0500

Hi Robert,

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you.  I'm no longer
at Pantero and it's only a coincidence that I ended up seeing
this email.

Absolutely you may have my permission to update the article.

Dennis Doughty

> From: *Robert Strandh* <strandh at labri.fr <mailto:strandh at labri.fr>>
> Date: Dec 17, 2005 4:37 PM
> Subject: permission to update your CLIM article
> To: dennis.doughty at pantero.com <mailto:dennis.doughty at pantero.com>
> 
> Dear Dennis Doughty,
> 
> I am one of the original authors of McCLIM, the free implementation of
> CLIM that we started writing in 2000 and which is now quite usable.
> One of the things we lack at the moment to spread the use of CLIM is a
> collection of simple examples on typical usage.  Your CLIM article has
> some very good ones, but it was apparently written for CLIM 1, and the
> examples do not necessarily run unmodified on a CLIM 2
> implementation.
> 
> Clemens Fruhwirth has suggested updating the examples of your article,
> but for that, he needs the permission of all the authors.  He has
> already obtained the permission from your co-authors, so we need a
> permission from you as well in order to go ahead.  Clemens would
> naturally accept a refusal on your part, and is willing to write a
> similar article from scratch, updated for CLIM 2, but that would be
> unnecessary work, should you agree to let him update yours.
> 
> We therefore kindly ask for your permission to update the article, or
> at least a clear message indicating that you do not give us such a
> permission.  I am sure you are very busy like the rest of us, but I
> would very much appreciate this effort on your part.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> --
> Robert Strandh
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Greenspun's Tenth Rule of Programming: any sufficiently complicated C
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> slow implementation of half of Common Lisp.
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