[lisp-game-dev] Lisp games on Android!

Sat Jul 9 02:50:05 UTC 2011

I haven't work much with the iOS version yet. Although, by the way ECL
works, you do need to compile the FFI libraries. You can't load a FFI
library on ECL, as far as I know.

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Simón Ortiz B., M.Sc., Ing. en Computación
Linux Registered User #388735

On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 02:42, Schell Scivally <efsubenovex at gmail.com> wrote:
> I ran into major problems with ECL on iOS. Ram's ECL iphone builder uses FFI
> to interface with C, which loads dynamic libs as needed. iOS apps have to
> statically compile their libraries. It may be a non-issue, though. My lack
> of understanding definitely kept me from making any serious headway. I got
> about as far as loading ASDF (with problems). Alexandria would not load (at
> all). I'd love to pick this project back up though, if it's not going to be
> a complete tar baby.
>
> On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Simon Ortiz <o.simon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> @Jake: thanks for your encouragement!
>>
>> @Elliot: thanks for the information. I sent an email to the mailing
>> list. I'm waiting for a reply :D
>>
>> I'm willing to do the adaptation my self, but it'd be nice to count
>> with some support from the maintainers.
>>
>> --
>> Simón Ortiz B., M.Sc., Ing. en Computación
>> Linux Registered User #388735
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 09:49, Elliott Slaughter
>> <elliottslaughter at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Simon Ortiz <o.simon at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I'm thinking that using cl-opengl, rather than making another OpenGL
>> >> wrapper, is definitively a good idea. The more standard, the better,
>> >> right?
>> >>
>> >> Although I wonder if cl-opengl can be used as is. Android and iOS use
>> >> OpenGL ES, which is a subset of the normal OpenGL.
>> >
>> > Maybe the maintainers of cl-opengl might be able of offer more insight
>> > on
>> > this? I myself am not particularly an expert on cl-opengl internals. At
>> > any
>> > rate, the mailing list for that is:
>> > http://common-lisp.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cl-opengl-devel
>> >>
>> >> I'll try to adapt cl-opengl into cl-opengles1 on the weekend. Let's
>> >> see how far I can go.
>> >>
>> >> I'll let you know.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Simón Ortiz B., M.Sc., Ing. en Computación
>> >> Linux Registered User #388735
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 23:08, Simon Ortiz <o.simon at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > @Joop: thanks! I'll read into CC0 :)
>> >> >
>> >> > @Elliot: whether or not to use cl-OpenGL is an undecided matter.
>> >> > Right
>> >> > now, just for testing, I wrote a pair of function wrappers. If you
>> >> > would like to add cl-OpenGL to the project, you are more than
>> >> > welcome!
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks for your replies!
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Simón Ortiz B., M.Sc., Ing. en Computación
>> >> > Linux Registered User #388735
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 02:06, Elliott Slaughter
>> >> > <elliottslaughter at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> When you talk about making a wrapper around OpenGL, are you using
>> >> >> cl-opengl?
>> >> >> I already use cl-opengl in my game engine, so if you did that would
>> >> >> encourage me to think about supporting Android. Otherwise (if you
>> >> >> are
>> >> >> writing your own wrapper) I would probably be discouraged from
>> >> >> attempting to
>> >> >> port my engine.
>> >> >> Thanks.
>> >> >> On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Simon Ortiz <o.simon at gmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> dear Lispers and dear game-devs,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I'm working on a project to make games on Lisp for smartphones.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I'm writing to let you all know of this project. If someone is
>> >> >>> interested, please let me know, so we can advance the project
>> >> >>> faster
>> >> >>> and make better code.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> The project works using ECL, which has being ported to Android and
>> >> >>> iOS
>> >> >>> thanks to the work of Ram Krishnan and Sylvain Ageneau. Right now,
>> >> >>> you
>> >> >>> can start ECL on these devices, load and execute any Lisp code. As
>> >> >>> an
>> >> >>> example, which is included in the project, you can run a Swank
>> >> >>> server
>> >> >>> on the devices, and connect to it from Slime.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I'm starting from those projects and I'm attempting to make the
>> >> >>> connections necessary for making games. My first target is Android.
>> >> >>> Right now, Lisp can communicate with OpenGL (but there are some
>> >> >>> crashes...), and Java can communicate touch events to Lisp.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> The first goal is to be able to draw OpenGL primitives (without
>> >> >>> crashing), draw textures, and output sound. The second goal is to
>> >> >>> build the same connections for iOS. The third goal, for the remote
>> >> >>> future, is to have internet connections. And the fourth goal, for
>> >> >>> an
>> >> >>> even farther future, is to read gyroscopes data and GPS data.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> This project is not aiming at making a Lisp game engine. That is
>> >> >>> left
>> >> >>> as an exercise for the developer. But with all the connections
>> >> >>> there,
>> >> >>> making your game/engine should be easier.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Also, since this project is aiming at releasing games through the
>> >> >>> App
>> >> >>> Store, it cannot contain any GPL software. All my work is on the
>> >> >>> public domain (as in "yes, you can go, use it, make money, and
>> >> >>> never
>> >> >>> tell me"). ECL is released under the LGPL license, so there should
>> >> >>> be
>> >> >>> no problems if you fulfill your responsibilities.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> If you want to check the (still crashing) project go to:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> https://github.com/o-simon/ecl-smartphones
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> If you want to collaborate, please send me an email. I'll give you
>> >> >>> write access to the repository.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I hope to hear from you soon.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Sincerely,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> --
>> >> >>> Simón Ortiz B., M.Sc., Ing. en Computación
>> >> >>> Linux Registered User #388735
>> >> >>>
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>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Elliott Slaughter
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Don't worry about what anybody else is going to do. The best way to
>> >> >> predict
>> >> >> the future is to invent it." - Alan Kay
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Elliott Slaughter
>> >
>> > "Don't worry about what anybody else is going to do. The best way to
>> > predict
>> > the future is to invent it." - Alan Kay
>> >
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