From wilsons at start.ca Wed Oct 15 01:00:32 2008 From: wilsons at start.ca (Stephen Wilson) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:00:32 -0400 Subject: [lift-devel] License Message-ID: <87myh6brkf.fsf@lattice.localdomain> Greetings! Reading COPYING I noticed that Lift has "portions copyright" under the University of Massachusetts. The license states that the software cannot be used commercially. Thus, Lift is not "open source" in the sense of OSI (www.opensource.org), let alone Free Software as per the FSF. Is there any chance that Lift could be re-licensed under the terms of the modified BSD or MIT as the other clauses in COPYING indicate? I do not want to use Lift in a commercial setting -- I would simply like to use Lift for a project, and I would like to depend only on Free Software/Open Source code. Thanks for your time! Steve From gwking at metabang.com Tue Oct 21 14:25:59 2008 From: gwking at metabang.com (Gary King) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:25:59 -0400 Subject: [lift-devel] License In-Reply-To: <87myh6brkf.fsf@lattice.localdomain> References: <87myh6brkf.fsf@lattice.localdomain> Message-ID: <5A069E3D-81A0-4356-87FD-184D20B0922F@metabang.com> Hi Stephen, Thanks for your interest. Does it matter one way or the other that the U-Mass copyright only runs until 2004? If not, then I will try to re- release with a more BSD license. thanks, On Oct 14, 2008, at 9:00 PM, Stephen Wilson wrote: > Greetings! > > Reading COPYING I noticed that Lift has "portions copyright" under the > University of Massachusetts. The license states that the software > cannot be > used commercially. > > Thus, Lift is not "open source" in the sense of OSI (www.opensource.org > ), let > alone Free Software as per the FSF. > > Is there any chance that Lift could be re-licensed under the terms > of the > modified BSD or MIT as the other clauses in COPYING indicate? > > I do not want to use Lift in a commercial setting -- I would simply > like to use > Lift for a project, and I would like to depend only on Free Software/ > Open Source > code. > > > Thanks for your time! > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > lift-devel mailing list > lift-devel at common-lisp.net > http://common-lisp.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lift-devel -- Gary Warren King, metabang.com Cell: (413) 559 8738 Fax: (206) 338-4052 gwkkwg on Skype * garethsan on AIM From blindglobe at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 19:05:37 2008 From: blindglobe at gmail.com (A.J. Rossini) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:05:37 +0200 Subject: [lift-devel] License In-Reply-To: <5A069E3D-81A0-4356-87FD-184D20B0922F@metabang.com> References: <87myh6brkf.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <5A069E3D-81A0-4356-87FD-184D20B0922F@metabang.com> Message-ID: <1abe3fa90810211205l367129e8waf2d91009e21c0a5@mail.gmail.com> For me, It doesn't matter, at least my understanding -- their contributions still hold under that copyright, even if they didn't contribute after that point. BSD or GPL, either form would be preferable... (first easier, of course!). On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Gary King wrote: > Hi Stephen, > > Thanks for your interest. Does it matter one way or the other that the > U-Mass copyright only runs until 2004? If not, then I will try to re- > release with a more BSD license. > > thanks, > > > On Oct 14, 2008, at 9:00 PM, Stephen Wilson wrote: > >> Greetings! >> >> Reading COPYING I noticed that Lift has "portions copyright" under the >> University of Massachusetts. The license states that the software >> cannot be >> used commercially. >> >> Thus, Lift is not "open source" in the sense of OSI (www.opensource.org >> ), let >> alone Free Software as per the FSF. >> >> Is there any chance that Lift could be re-licensed under the terms >> of the >> modified BSD or MIT as the other clauses in COPYING indicate? >> >> I do not want to use Lift in a commercial setting -- I would simply >> like to use >> Lift for a project, and I would like to depend only on Free Software/ >> Open Source >> code. >> >> >> Thanks for your time! >> Steve >> >> _______________________________________________ >> lift-devel mailing list >> lift-devel at common-lisp.net >> http://common-lisp.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lift-devel > > -- > Gary Warren King, metabang.com > Cell: (413) 559 8738 > Fax: (206) 338-4052 > gwkkwg on Skype * garethsan on AIM > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > lift-devel mailing list > lift-devel at common-lisp.net > http://common-lisp.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lift-devel > -- best, -tony blindglobe at gmail.com Muttenz, Switzerland. "Commit early,commit often, and commit in a repository from which we can easily roll-back your mistakes" (AJR, 4Jan05). Drink Coffee: Do stupid things faster with more energy! From wilsons at start.ca Tue Oct 21 20:59:35 2008 From: wilsons at start.ca (Stephen Wilson) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:59:35 -0400 Subject: [lift-devel] License In-Reply-To: <5A069E3D-81A0-4356-87FD-184D20B0922F@metabang.com> (Gary King's message of "Tue\, 21 Oct 2008 10\:25\:59 -0400") References: <87myh6brkf.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <5A069E3D-81A0-4356-87FD-184D20B0922F@metabang.com> Message-ID: <873aipbr60.fsf@lattice.localdomain> Gary, Gary King writes: > Does it matter one way or the other that the U-Mass copyright only runs until > 2004? >From my understanding the license terms hold for the duration of the copyright, which varies among jurisdictions (often 50 or 70 years after the copyright holders death). However, IANAL, so my understanding is worth very little. > If not, then I will try to re-release with a more BSD license. That would be terrific! I think it would be generally useful to have Lift under a 'standard' free software license. Thanks for looking into this! Steve > thanks, > > > On Oct 14, 2008, at 9:00 PM, Stephen Wilson wrote: > >> Greetings! >> >> Reading COPYING I noticed that Lift has "portions copyright" under the >> University of Massachusetts. The license states that the software cannot be >> used commercially. >> >> Thus, Lift is not "open source" in the sense of OSI (www.opensource.org ), let >> alone Free Software as per the FSF. >> >> Is there any chance that Lift could be re-licensed under the terms of the >> modified BSD or MIT as the other clauses in COPYING indicate? >> >> I do not want to use Lift in a commercial setting -- I would simply like to >> use >> Lift for a project, and I would like to depend only on Free Software/ Open >> Source >> code. >> >> >> Thanks for your time! >> Steve >> >> _______________________________________________ >> lift-devel mailing list >> lift-devel at common-lisp.net >> http://common-lisp.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lift-devel > > -- > Gary Warren King, metabang.com > Cell: (413) 559 8738 > Fax: (206) 338-4052 > gwkkwg on Skype * garethsan on AIM