<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">Robert/team,<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I know I've discussed this in the past, but somehow, your comment has awaken my concern as to the future of Elephant and Sleepycat. I know you've mentioned that you are using Elephant mainly (or only) for the relational backend. However, being that the BDB backend is about 5 times faster than the relational one, I was concentrating on using the BDB backend. Am I going down the wrong or uncertain path? Will future enhancements to Elephant be focused on the relational backend first? I wish I could say that I can volunteer to help enhance Elephant in anyway, but I just don't have the qualifications; at least not yet. I know there are others involved in the project, but not really familiar with everyone's contributions.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>The one thing I know is that, this, being an open-source project, is sort of like a side task for the current team members. After all, we "all" have to work to put food on the table. So, it's not that I'm asking the dedication of a team of developers such as one assigned by a company offering commercial licenses.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Through the documents I've read, I think I came across one that said that there are about 15 people (entities) using Elephant. I don't know if those are just people known to use it and then many others that you just don't know about, or that it really is a low profile project. I can only comment/compare to CL-SQL, which is the other project I've come across more often. I don't use it but do see more traffic related to that project than to Elephant. From what I know, the two projects have different schools of thought and philosophies as to how persistence is implemented and managed. I can say that I like the way things are done in Elephant. They just seem so natural and elegant.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>It is for that reason that I'm concerned with my using of Elephant and BDB backend. I plan to migrate a large project over from Ruby on Rails to the UCW/Elephant framework. I just don't want to shoot myself on the foot down the road when my clients are using the system or, hopefully won't be the case, obsoleted framework.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Thanks again for such great work.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>- Daniel</DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Aug 13, 2006, at 5:36 PM, Robert L. Read wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> On Sun, 2006-08-13 at 02:27 -0400, Daniel Salama wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE type="CITE"> <PRE><FONT color="#000000">Being that BDB is on version 4.4.20 and there seem to be some </FONT>
<FONT color="#000000">important fixes since the 4.3 version, does Elephant support this </FONT>
<FONT color="#000000">version? Is there any plans to support it?</FONT>
<FONT color="#000000">Thanks,</FONT>
<FONT color="#000000">Daniel</FONT>
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> I don't have any plans to work on this in the near future. The Oracle purchase of <BR> Sleepycat clouds the issue slightly; personally I use the relational backend for all my<BR> work.<BR> <BR> I would estimate the work involved here at several hours to several days --- I really<BR> have not investigated it deeply except to note that it doesn't seem to work with 4.4.<BR> <BR> Of course, if someone wants to get it working, I would be both grateful and as<BR> helpful as I could be.<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE type="CITE"> <PRE><FONT color="#000000">_______________________________________________</FONT>
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