[Ecls-list] [maintainership]

Mon Feb 23 09:49:39 UTC 2015

Oh thank god it was awful to try recover my old sf account,  I'll fix
tmrrw.

In the meantime to make ecl work I need to apply patches to bdwgc,
libatomic ops, libgmp.

Currently first two are included in. So we can do git submodule and update
ecl to use latest. If you are unsure about stability I guess we can fix it
to a tag, not sure how to do yet. This obviously requires patches to go
into main repos of bdwgc so I'll ask to Sylvain if this is OK.

I don't how to handle gmp case though. I'll ask to dev list.

Let me know what you think,
evrim.
On Feb 23, 2015 6:34 PM, "Daniel Kochmański" <jackdaniel at hellsgate.pl>
wrote:

>
> Hey,
>
> As I already noted, development moved to gitorious - so adding to
> sourceforge project (what I did), doesn't give you permission to push to
> repository. Please create gitorious account and I'll add you to
> collaborators right away.
>
> Project address is:
> https://gitorious.org/embeddable-common-lisp
>
> and ECL repository address is:
> https://gitorious.org/embeddable-common-lisp
>
> I'm going to write something more this week about new branching model
> - in shourtcut - everything in-development lands in develop branch, and
> each push to master is equal to new release.
>
> More on fixes topic - great job and thank you. Could you also remove
> trailing whitespaces from the second patch of yours regarding stack
> direction?
>
> Best regards,
> Daniel
>
> Evrim Ulu writes:
>
> > Hello, this tests are very nice.
> >
> > Anyway,
> >
> > I've fixed autotools finally. Here is the patch:
> >
> >
> https://github.com/evrim/ecl-mobile/commit/7db27861a6c3cdb8407a3c834f797f918d89ed32
> >
> > My sf account is evrimulu. If you provide me write access, i'll glad to
> push it.
> >
> > evrim.
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 9:34 PM, Daniel Kochmański
> > <jackdaniel at hellsgate.pl> wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> Anton Vodonosov writes:
> >>
> >>> Hello Daniel,
> >>>
> >>> My main wish to you: the most important criterion - don't break ECL,
> >>> don't make it worse than it is today.
> >>
> >> Thank you. I do agree, it's most important case and my greatest concern
> >> about whole thing.
> >>>
> >>> And thanks for your initiative to take care about the project.
> >>>
> >>> From your list of goals, I think new release is the most important,
> >>> because HEAD is quite different from the last release. Juan Jose
> >>> didn't released his last changes, so probably the HEAD is
> >>> in some work-in progress state.
> >>>
> >>> I can help with testing using cl-test-grid - we build all the libraries
> >>> from quicklisp on old release, and with new release and compare results
> >>> to detect regressions, like this:
> >>>
> https://common-lisp.net/project/cl-test-grid/ecl/ecl-diff-2-lisp-to-c.html
> >>>
> >> Thank you. I saw you already submitted some test results. I'll take a
> >> closer look at whole procedure as next thing.
> >>
> >> BR,
> >> Daniel
> >>
> >> ps. sorry for resend - i had problems with mu4e configuration (wrong
> >> e-mail sender address, and mail didn't came through to mailing list).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 21.02.2015, 09:51, "Daniel Kochmański" <jackdaniel at hellsgate.pl>:
> >>>> Hello,
> >>>>
> >>>> it's saturday and nobody has risen concerns about new maintainership,
> so
> >>>> I assume it's ok with you all - thanks for putting trust on unknown
> >>>> person.
> >>>>
> >>>> For start I need admin privileges on SF, and on wikispaces (which also
> >>>> requires subscription renewal). My user name on both portals is
> >>>> dkochmanski.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best regards,
> >>>> Daniel
> >>>>
> >>>> Juan Jose Garcia-Ripoll writes:
> >>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> first of all thanks for taking me into consideration and for
> volunteering
> >>>>> to continue the project. I was overoptimistic in assuming that I
> could even
> >>>>> continue fixing bugs or reading the mailing list at all. I therefore
> >>>>> welcome any initiative to have a stable team that works on bugs and
> keeps
> >>>>> the project alive and useful. Just let me know what you need, such as
> >>>>> adding you to the Admin list and perhaps updating or giving you
> access to
> >>>>> other resources.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Since I do not have much time to read these threads, I would
> appreciate a
> >>>>> warning when the issue has been settled by the community, with a
> list of
> >>>>> steps that I should take.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best regards
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Juanjo
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 10:00 PM, ZhanLin Shang <
> shangzhanlin at gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi Daniel,
> >>>>>> I agree with your opinion, I know some C (I've been playing around
> with C
> >>>>>> for 5 years but not embedding) and some CL (which is the language I
> use the
> >>>>>> most), I will try to help if I can.
> >>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>> Z.Shang
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sun Feb 15 2015 at 8:56:01 PM Daniel Kochmański <
> >>>>>> jackdaniel at hellsgate.pl> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> most of you have probably noticed, that ECL is unmaintained for
> quite a
> >>>>>>> while. Some spontaneous attempts are made, like submitting a
> patch, or
> >>>>>>> answering question - what is great, but insufficient. Many
> important bug
> >>>>>>> fixes last on git head, a few potential improvements wait in patch
> >>>>>>> queue. The other words - ECL starts to smell funny, what's a shame,
> >>>>>>> since it's a great project.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'm writing to mailing list to volunteer myself as projects
> >>>>>>> maintainer. I'm sure there are people better suited for such role,
> but
> >>>>>>> since nobody asks for it, I do. Please reply to this message with
> >>>>>>> protests or support, if any. I'm full time embedded engineer with
> strong
> >>>>>>> C background, and solely speaking - CL new-be. Since I'm full time
> >>>>>>> worker, I can spare only a few hours a week, but I'm sure it would
> be
> >>>>>>> sufficient for start.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Short plan of things, which have to be done (any help welcome) - in
> >>>>>>> descendent order:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ** Roll out a new release
> >>>>>>> Many bug-fixes lie on git, and are absent on current release. It is
> >>>>>>> really important to make a new release.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 1. Introduce new branching model
> >>>>>>> http://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2. Move development to gitorious
> >>>>>>> Split separate projects into separate repositories (libffi, gmp)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 3. Patch submissions
> >>>>>>> I think it would be plausible to move patch submissions to
> >>>>>>> mailing list, so they can be commented.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ** Refresh
> >>>>>>> 1. Website
> >>>>>>> I find it counter-intuitive and hard to navigate. Sitemap should
> >>>>>>> be rearranged, and maybe even moved from SF.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2. Materials
> >>>>>>> Wiki's subscription is ended now. It should be brought back.
> >>>>>>> Usage examples should be easier to find and study.
> >>>>>>> It would be nice to have tutorials describing, how to install and
> >>>>>>> embed ECL in project.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 3. Patch/feature/bug queues (as started by Arto)
> >>>>>>> Decide, which patches need to be merged into ECL, reject the
> >>>>>>> rest. Same with feature requests - if something is beyond our
> >>>>>>> reach for now, should be tagged as won't do. Bug reports should be
> >>>>>>> checked for these already fixed, not-bugs and some which won't be
> >>>>>>> fixed anytime soon.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 4. Actualizing ECL support libraries - libffi breaks on build for
> >>>>>>> armv5 (new version works like a charm). It is also at least worth
> >>>>>>> considering switching to lgpl3 (for pragmatic reasons) - this one
> >>>>>>> requires further discussion, but first things first.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ** Evolve
> >>>>>>> 1. Third party libraries
> >>>>>>> - Use most recent libraries (asdf, quicklisp, swank, etc)
> >>>>>>> - Treat libffi as separate project /move to more recent version/
> >>>>>>> - Treat libgc as separate project /consider lgplv3/
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2. Make more ports
> >>>>>>> - Android (merge patches, write nice tutorial)
> >>>>>>> - NaCL
> >>>>>>> - Minix
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 3. Regression / testing / deployment
> >>>>>>> - vagrant
> >>>>>>> - automated reports
> >>>>>>> - suggestions?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 4. ECL java application for android
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ============================
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I already wrote similar mail to Juan Jose Garcia-Ripoll (attached
> as
> >>>>>>> reference), and he suggested to write to mailing list.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>>>> Daniel Kochmański
> >>>>>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> my name is Daniel Kochmański, and I want to say, that I am really
> >>>>>>>> impressed by your work on Embeddable Common Lisp, and I want to
> thank
> >>>>>>>> you for it. I find ecl nice piece of software and consider it a
> great
> >>>>>>>> opportunity to learn.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I'm writing to you, because I want to be maintainer of it. I have
> strong
> >>>>>>>> C background, and I'm learning Common Lisp, so it wouldn't be
> very good
> >>>>>>>> pick if project is actively developed, but since it starts to
> smell
> >>>>>>>> funny (pun intended), I think it won't be a bad idea. I'm full
> time
> >>>>>>>> embedded systems engineer, so I can spare only few hours a week,
> but I'm
> >>>>>>>> convinced it would be sufficient for start.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> First thing I'd like to do is to roll out a new release, since
> git head
> >>>>>>>> has many improvements over current release (especially bugfix for
> >>>>>>>> bordeaux-threads), and cleanup of feature-requests and
> bug-reports on
> >>>>>>>> SourceForge.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Then I plan to move development to gitorious, and host third party
> >>>>>>>> libraries as separate projects. Also, branching model would
> change -
> >>>>>>>> current commits will land on "develop", and "master" will be kept
> for
> >>>>>>>> releases only. I'm also considering reorganizing, or even moving
> ecl
> >>>>>>>> site from SourceForge, because I find it really hard to navigate.
> There
> >>>>>>>> is also problem with wiki, where subscription has ended, and needs
> >>>>>>>> reactivation by one of the wiki organizers (according to
> wikispaces).
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Next thing would be actualizing libffi (build breaks on armv5 on
> old
> >>>>>>>> sources included with ECL), and merging patches for android and
> nacl
> >>>>>>>> builds - I'm working on it on my local repository lately. After
> that to
> >>>>>>>> attract more people, I think that would be a nice idea to make
> android
> >>>>>>>> app, which will bring ECL to android devices.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> What do you think about this proposition? I was convincing myself
> to
> >>>>>>>> write this mail for few weeks from now, but I'm still not sure if
> I
> >>>>>>>> should write to mailing list first. Anyways, again, thank you for
> >>>>>>>> keeping this project alive for so many years.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>>>>> Daniel Kochmański
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> Daniel Kochmański | Poznań, Poland
> >>>>>>>> ;; aka jackdaniel
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "Be the change that you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma
> Gandhi
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> Daniel Kochmański | Poznań, Poland
> >>>>>>> ;; aka jackdaniel
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "Be the change that you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi
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