[climacs-devel] [lisp-game-dev] Gamemacs: an idea for a modular, extensible, capable and easy to use game-development IDE

Sat Apr 3 19:23:46 UTC 2010

I have Climacs running now, now there's work to do :)

It really was like they said on the pages about it, the hardest part is
tracking down the dependencies.

Next tasks: get an issuetracker up, get the repositories all on github and
the mock-up.

I will do the drawing now, can someone suggest me a good place to organize
it all together, at least an issue tracker?

A website we can do with HTML on Github of course, and I think an entry on
cliki would be nice.

2010/4/3 Joop Kiefte <ikojba at gmail.com>

> I will try to make a mock-up now and send it here, please help me remember
> if I forget... =X.
>
> As the code of your UI-system is in common lisp, I guess it won't be too
> hard to make it an addition on Climacs and integrate it already :). Maybe
> you can give it a try and we can bake up some basic code already that way. I
> see you already use github, I will dump climacs and dependencies on github
> as well as soon as I got it running (I wanted to 'release' the ideas already
> so I'll have some people pushing and out there to help :) currently the clx
> is biting me... I will keep you up to date on my efforts, although it's
> pretty much a free time only project) and maybe create a superproject with
> climacs, dependencies, your project etc to get new developers up and running
> quickly (although it's pretty much vaporware now... but climacs is not so we
> have something to get starting anyway :)).
>
> So, on to the drawing!
>
> 2010/4/3 David O'Toole <dto1138 at gmail.com>
>
> Hi Joop,
>>
>> This sounds like a good idea. Expanding the tools space is great.
>>
>> I am working on a project with a few similar goals but some big
>> differences. My game engine and IDE were written originally in Emacs
>> Lisp in late 2006, and then over the last few years I've gradually
>> rewritten it in Common Lisp. In the process I built a set of CL user
>> interface widgets that behave in roughly emacsy ways. So my IDE is now
>> split into two portions: GNU Emacs for the lisp code editing and SLIME
>> stuff, and a spreadsheet-like Common Lisp UI system for the map editor
>> and such.
>>
>> If you are curious to see, my game engine is at
>> http://dto.github.com/notebook/xe2-reference.html
>>
>> What are your thoughts on user interfaces?
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Joop Kiefte <ikojba at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hello guys,
>> > At the moment I am gathering together all pieces of the Climacs editor
>> to
>> > start an open source project to create a modular, extensible, capable
>> and
>> > easy to use game-development IDE. Until I switched to Linux I have made
>> some
>> > games with Game Maker, a fine but windows only piece of software that is
>> too
>> > commercialized nowadays for me to like it as it is now, and I (and some
>> > others as well I think) have been looking for a good replacement on
>> linux
>> > for quite some time. As most good programmers I am extremely lazy and
>> don't
>> > like to do repetitive work if I can prevent it, and as such have skipped
>> > things like py-game.
>> > I have done a little bit of fiddling with clojure and as I see it now
>> some
>> > gaming stuff is coming up for clojure as well, but I didn't feel like
>> gaming
>> > is the perfect bet for clojure. Now I am programming for a small company
>> in
>> > common lisp and doing that I feel like I need some open source project
>> to
>> > keep in shape on common lisp on the side line. So I thought, let's make
>> a
>> > game maker clone!
>> > I am not going to make things from scratch, it won't be useful to do and
>> > besides, if there is nothing to build upon, we won't even get started.
>> So I
>> > thought this might be a perfect use for climacs. It might even be a
>> revival
>> > of the climacs project if you like. Gamemacs is just a working name (and
>> a
>> > bit more, as I will explain later), I mean to contribute to the several
>> > sub-projects and with normal add-ons as much as possible, to keep
>> everything
>> > as modular as possible.
>> > To not keep things vague, and to have a good direction, this is a list
>> of
>> > things I want to have for a nice game-editor (and in general to make of
>> > Climacs an emacs-killer instead of an emacs-clone), most of it taken
>> from
>> > Game Maker:
>> > * Integration of something like Lispbuilder (most probably just
>> > Lispbuilder).
>> >   - It has SDL
>> >   - It has OpenGL
>> >   - It has an .exe-creator/binary compiler
>> > * Integration of the .exe-creator/binary compiler in the editor itself
>> > * Publish versions of Climacs compiled that way to make further
>> development
>> > easier
>> >   - so for basic development of games you don't even need to install
>> > anything else than that compiled version of climacs
>> >   - we can call this compiled package with extensions Gamemacs, and keep
>> the
>> > source pure climacs, so it remains as modular as it can be
>> > * I would like to have a generic graphical editor for lisp-code on top
>> of
>> > the textual editing mode.
>> >   - and this to be extensible with cool graphical editors for example to
>> > create levels (I think I will need to make a mock-up of this idea to get
>> it
>> > clear)
>> > * Create libraries for game-development that are included by default and
>> > work nicely with the graphical interface so you will be able to make
>> simple
>> > games with mostly point and click and harder games with a great
>> emacs-like
>> > editor :)
>> > I have all this quite detailed in my head, but after dumping it all here
>> I
>> > want your input as well, so it will be great to work with. In the end my
>> > goal is to have fun creating games on linux and to be able to sketch and
>> > prototype and build games all in one place. (If you can develop
>> everything
>> > for emacs in emacs without leaving it, why shouldn't you be able to
>> create
>> > games without hassle?)
>> > First things I will do anyhow (but help is appreciated on all sides!):
>> > * Put all the dependencies of climacs on Git
>> > * Build climacs and fiddle with it to get accustomed to the inner
>> workings
>> > * Same with lispbuilder etc.
>> > What do you think?
>> > Greetings,
>> > Joop Kiefte
>> > --
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>> is
>> > lacking, when language capability is hard to acquire...
>> >
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>> >
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>
> --
> Communication is essential. So we need decent tools when communication is
> lacking, when language capability is hard to acquire...
>
> - http://esperanto.net  - http://esperanto-jongeren.nl
>
> Linux-user #496644 (http://counter.li.org) - first touch of linux in 2004
>

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