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From victor.kryukov at gmail.com  Sat Mar  1 03:02:27 2008
From: victor.kryukov at gmail.com (Victor Kryukov)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:02:27 -0600
Subject: [clbuild-devel] user defined wnpp-projects and dependencies
Message-ID: <871w6vjge4.fsf@esculap.gateway.2wire.net>

Group,

what do you think about adding two user-defined files,
i.e. wnpp-projects-local and dependencies-local, to let user define
his own projects and dependencies among them? That way it would be
easier for everybody to maintain their local stuff. (Yes, I'm
continuing to add more of the Gary King's stuff...)

The problem is that currently dependencies is auto-generated. If a
user want to add his own dependencies, he has to regenerate this file
manually, and thus as a side effect he has to download _all_ the
libraries that clbuild support.

As a separate question - does it makes sense to add a keyword to
update all the _installed_ packages, and only them?

Best Regards,
Victor.

-- 
http://macrodefinition.blogspot.com



From stefan-ml at snobis.de  Sat Mar  1 11:24:14 2008
From: stefan-ml at snobis.de (Stefan Nobis)
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 12:24:14 +0100
Subject: [clbuild-devel] user defined wnpp-projects and dependencies
In-Reply-To: <871w6vjge4.fsf@esculap.gateway.2wire.net> (Victor Kryukov's
	message of "Fri\, 29 Feb 2008 21\:02\:27 -0600")
References: <871w6vjge4.fsf@esculap.gateway.2wire.net>
Message-ID: <m13aravg9t.fsf@snobis.de>

Victor Kryukov <victor.kryukov at gmail.com> writes:

> what do you think about adding two user-defined files,
> i.e. wnpp-projects-local and dependencies-local, to let user define
> his own projects and dependencies among them?

Hmmm... I'm undetermined. It seems to be a good idea, I also have
quite some local additions planned, but on the other hand wouldn't it
be much nicer to enforce a really complete listing of everything out
there (so a local addition isn't neccessary)?

> As a separate question - does it makes sense to add a keyword to
> update all the _installed_ packages, and only them?

I would second that.

-- 
Until the next mail...,
Stefan.
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From victor.kryukov at gmail.com  Sat Mar  1 17:57:23 2008
From: victor.kryukov at gmail.com (Victor Kryukov)
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 11:57:23 -0600
Subject: [clbuild-devel] Re: user defined wnpp-projects and dependencies
References: <871w6vjge4.fsf@esculap.gateway.2wire.net>
	<m13aravg9t.fsf@snobis.de>
Message-ID: <87fxvauy2k.fsf@esculap.gateway.2wire.net>

Stefan Nobis <stefan-ml at snobis.de> writes:

> Victor Kryukov <victor.kryukov at gmail.com> writes:
>
>> what do you think about adding two user-defined files,
>> i.e. wnpp-projects-local and dependencies-local, to let user define
>> his own projects and dependencies among them?
>
> Hmmm... I'm undetermined. It seems to be a good idea, I also have
> quite some local additions planned, but on the other hand wouldn't it
> be much nicer to enforce a really complete listing of everything out
> there (so a local addition isn't neccessary)?

Having a complete listing "of everything out there" sounds like a good
abstract concept. However, I doubt it could be implemented
effectively. clbuild maintainers believe (and rightly so) that only "decent"
packages should belong clbuild - e.g. if a package only comes as a
tarball, it will not be included. That means there will always be
various disagrements about whehter something should be included or
not. Therefore, providing users with a freedom to change things on
their end while at the same time maintaining broad list of "decent"
packages seems to be the right way to go for me.

Regards,
Victor.

-- 
http://macrodefinition.blogspot.com



From ebzzry at gmail.com  Tue Mar  4 06:03:13 2008
From: ebzzry at gmail.com (Rommel Martinez)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 14:03:13 +0800
Subject: [clbuild-devel] premature end of core file
Message-ID: <391934950803032203k4c843bc0x1ec06f53a6f27059@mail.gmail.com>

Why do I frequently get this:

--------------------------------------------------
$ clbuild run climacs
fatal error encountered in SBCL pid 14918(tid 134656000):
premature end of core file

Welcome to LDB, a low-level debugger for the Lisp runtime environment.
ldb>
--------------------------------------------------

The same thing happens with other "run" commands.
Why is this happening? What should be done to get around this?

The version of clbuild I'm using is the one from the Darcs repository
two weeks ago on FreeBSD 6.3
-- 
Rommel M. Martinez <ebzzry at gmail.com>


From david at lichteblau.com  Tue Mar  4 07:10:24 2008
From: david at lichteblau.com (David Lichteblau)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 08:10:24 +0100
Subject: [clbuild-devel] premature end of core file
In-Reply-To: <391934950803032203k4c843bc0x1ec06f53a6f27059@mail.gmail.com>
References: <391934950803032203k4c843bc0x1ec06f53a6f27059@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080304071024.GQ16179@radon>

Quoting Rommel Martinez (ebzzry at gmail.com):
> $ clbuild run climacs
> fatal error encountered in SBCL pid 14918(tid 134656000):
> premature end of core file
[...]
> The same thing happens with other "run" commands.
> Why is this happening? What should be done to get around this?

It probably means that clbuild/monster.core is broken.  Removing that
file should make clbuild functional again.  I don't know why a broken
core file gets created for you though.

One way this can happen is when you're regularly switching between lisp
implementations.  Currently, clbuild will create a file of the same name
even when configured to use OpenMCL or clisp, and when switched back to
SBCL, can fail with such an error.

(This is all assuming you even have a clbuild/monster.core.  It could be
a message about the normal sbcl.core, of course.)


d.


From ebzzry at gmail.com  Tue Mar  4 09:50:01 2008
From: ebzzry at gmail.com (Rommel Martinez)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 17:50:01 +0800
Subject: [clbuild-devel] Re: premature end of core file
Message-ID: <391934950803040150s53fbd3feq19cd9b798487147f@mail.gmail.com>

> It probably means that clbuild/monster.core is broken.  Removing that
> file should make clbuild functional again.  I don't know why a broken
> core file gets created for you though.

I deleted monster.core and rebuilt the applications and it worked fine again.
What I don't know is when it will break again.

> One way this can happen is when you're regularly switching between lisp
> implementations

No, as of the time of writing I'm only using SBCL.

I'll try building the other apps and test them. I'll post again if such
an incident reoccurs and hopefully I'll be able to provide more details.

-- 
Rommel M. Martinez <ebzzry at gmail.com>


From ebzzry at gmail.com  Tue Mar  4 09:55:17 2008
From: ebzzry at gmail.com (Rommel Martinez)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 17:55:17 +0800
Subject: [clbuild-devel] Re: premature end of core file
Message-ID: <391934950803040155l625b135fqeaddec4c7bc3d97b@mail.gmail.com>

> (This is all assuming you even have a clbuild/monster.core.  It could be
> a message about the normal sbcl.core, of course.)

Yeah, I'm using monster.core.

-- 
Rommel M. Martinez <ebzzry at gmail.com>


From asf at boinkor.net  Tue Mar  4 13:44:48 2008
From: asf at boinkor.net (Andreas Fuchs)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 14:44:48 +0100
Subject: [clbuild-devel] Exception after clbuild install with debian's
	sbcl - and the 'common-lisp-controller'
In-Reply-To: <1204185292.27437.46.camel@pippi.pippi>
References: <1204185292.27437.46.camel@pippi.pippi>
Message-ID: <6B835964-F1B4-4337-8215-84AF0B056DD0@boinkor.net>


On Feb 28, 2008, at 8:54, Dietrich Bollmann wrote:
> clbuild run demodemo
>
>> ...snip...
>> unhandled SIMPLE-ERROR in thread #<SB-THREAD:THREAD "initial
> thread" {A72DEE9}>:
>>  Error during processing of --eval option "(load
> \"/home/dietrich/lisp/clbuild/clbuild.lisp\")":
>>
>>  failed to find the WRITE-DATE
> of /home/dietrich/lisp/clbuild/source/slime/swank-loader.fasl:
>>    No such file or directory
>
> The reason probably is that the debian sbcl install uses the
> `common-lisp-controller' ( http://www.cliki.net/common-lisp- 
> controller )
> which (citation from http://www.cliki.net/common-lisp-controller ):

As happy as I am to blame things on clc, this time it it's not at  
fault (-:

The problem was a recent change to swank.asd, compounded by a recent  
file system interface change in SBCL, which caused asdf to look for a  
compilation output file that wasn't ever going to get written. The  
last commit to slime by Marco Baringer should get things working again.

If you have a swank-loader.fasl from working around this issue, I  
recommend you delete it (-:

Cheers,
-- 
Andreas Fuchs, (http://|im:asf@|mailto:asf@)boinkor.net, antifuchs



From david at lichteblau.com  Tue Mar  4 18:51:20 2008
From: david at lichteblau.com (David Lichteblau)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 19:51:20 +0100
Subject: [clbuild-devel] user defined wnpp-projects and dependencies
In-Reply-To: <m13aravg9t.fsf@snobis.de>
References: <871w6vjge4.fsf@esculap.gateway.2wire.net>
	<m13aravg9t.fsf@snobis.de>
Message-ID: <20080304185120.GA6637@radon>

Quoting Stefan Nobis (stefan-ml at snobis.de):
> > As a separate question - does it makes sense to add a keyword to
> > update all the _installed_ packages, and only them?
> 
> I would second that.

Done, please test.  The syntax is:
  clbuild update --installed


From david at lichteblau.com  Tue Mar  4 19:00:14 2008
From: david at lichteblau.com (David Lichteblau)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 20:00:14 +0100
Subject: [clbuild-devel] `clbuild lisp' and `asdf:*central-registry*'...
In-Reply-To: <1204179798.27437.22.camel@pippi.pippi>
References: <1204179798.27437.22.camel@pippi.pippi>
Message-ID: <20080304190014.GB6637@radon>

Hi,

Quoting Dietrich Bollmann (diresu at web.de):
> I read on clbuild's homepage ( http://common-lisp.net/project/clbuild/ )
> that `~/.sbclrc' is ignored when starting sbcl with `clbuild lisp'
> when not explicitely told to use it by creating the file
> `clbuild/clbuild.conf' using `clbuild/clbuild.conf.default' as a model
> and setting the variable `USER_INIT' to something like
> `${HOME}/.sbclrc'.
>
> But even when doing so, my configured version of
> `asdf:*central-registry*' would be ignored.

good point.  I have added a new configuration variable called
SETF_CENTRAL_REGISTRY, which can be overridden in clbuild.conf.  It's
just a simple boolean flag for now to switch between SETF and PUSH.

> PS: Probably a better way would be to set 'asdf:*central-registry*' to 
> the value needed by clbuild before the profile is loaded.

Hmm...


From stefan-ml at snobis.de  Tue Mar  4 21:04:01 2008
From: stefan-ml at snobis.de (Stefan Nobis)
Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:04:01 +0100
Subject: [clbuild-devel] user defined wnpp-projects and dependencies
In-Reply-To: <20080304185120.GA6637@radon> (David Lichteblau's message of
	"Tue\, 4 Mar 2008 19\:51\:20 +0100")
References: <871w6vjge4.fsf@esculap.gateway.2wire.net>
	<m13aravg9t.fsf@snobis.de> <20080304185120.GA6637@radon>
Message-ID: <m13ar6nqv2.fsf@snobis.de>

David Lichteblau <david at lichteblau.com> writes:

> Done, please test.  The syntax is:
>   clbuild update --installed

Seems to work great. Thank you very much!

-- 
Until the next mail...,
Stefan.
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From diresu at web.de  Wed Mar  5 07:10:17 2008
From: diresu at web.de (Dietrich Bollmann)
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:10:17 +0900
Subject: [clbuild-devel] `clbuild lisp' and `asdf:*central-registry*'...
In-Reply-To: <20080304190014.GB6637@radon>
References: <1204179798.27437.22.camel@pippi.pippi>
	<20080304190014.GB6637@radon>
Message-ID: <1204701018.4166.48.camel@pippi.pippi>

Hi David,

On Tue, 2008-03-04 at 20:00 +0100, David Lichteblau wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Quoting Dietrich Bollmann (diresu at web.de):
> > I read on clbuild's homepage ( http://common-lisp.net/project/clbuild/ )
> > that `~/.sbclrc' is ignored when starting sbcl with `clbuild lisp'
> > when not explicitely told to use it by creating the file
> > `clbuild/clbuild.conf' using `clbuild/clbuild.conf.default' as a model
> > and setting the variable `USER_INIT' to something like
> > `${HOME}/.sbclrc'.
> >
> > But even when doing so, my configured version of
> > `asdf:*central-registry*' would be ignored.
> 
> good point.  I have added a new configuration variable called
> SETF_CENTRAL_REGISTRY, which can be overridden in clbuild.conf.  It's
> just a simple boolean flag for now to switch between SETF and PUSH.

Thanks.  But this doesn't allow to change the position of the 
clbuild path in the registry which could be usefull if some 
private installation of a package should be prefered to a 
different instance of the same package later in the path.

How about a third option which just leaves the registry as it 
is specified in the profile?  (Actually I feel like this should 
be the default as to me it is strange that some values from the 
profile later are overwritten even if the user explicitly 
configured clbuild to use the profile.)

By the way, what do you think would be the best way to test 
in the profile if a running sbcl is the one installed with 
clbuild or some other installation?  Currently I am using a 
different profile for the clbuild version and specifying 
`USER_INIT=${HOME}/.sbclrc-clbuild' in clbuild.conf.  

I would prefer to decide upon different initialisations in 
the profile by using something like 

  #+sbcl #-sbcl-clbuild (do-something)
  #+sbcl #+sbcl-clbuild (do-something-different)

> > PS: Probably a better way would be to set 'asdf:*central-registry*' to 
> > the value needed by clbuild before the profile is loaded.
> 
> Hmm...

Isn't this what lisp also does normally?

When using the sbcl or cmucl package in Debian for example the 
value of asdf:*central-registry* is already initialised with the 
standard Debian lisp package installation paths and other paths 
can be prepended / appended / inserted or the value can be overwritten.  
When using clbuild all default packages should be in clbuild/systems 
as far as I understand.

Thanks, Dietrich

> _______________________________________________
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From david at lichteblau.com  Wed Mar  5 11:33:22 2008
From: david at lichteblau.com (David Lichteblau)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 12:33:22 +0100
Subject: [clbuild-devel] `clbuild lisp' and `asdf:*central-registry*'...
In-Reply-To: <1204700458.4166.44.camel@pippi.pippi>
References: <1204179798.27437.22.camel@pippi.pippi>
	<20080304190014.GB6637@radon>
	<1204700458.4166.44.camel@pippi.pippi>
Message-ID: <20080305113322.GR16179@radon>

Quoting Dietrich Bollmann (d.bollmann at tu-berlin.de):
> Thanks.  But this doesn't allow to change the position of the clbuild
> path in the registry which could be usefull if some private
> installation of a package should be prefered to a different instance
> of the same package later in the path.
> 
> How about a third option which just leaves the registry as it is
> specified in the profile?  (Actually I feel like this should be the
> default as to me it is strange that some values from the profile later
> are overwritten even if the user explicitly configured clbuild to use
> the profile.)

I'll have to think about this some more.

But to me, the meaning of "clbuild lisp" is: "Start SBCL so that it uses
the systems installed by clbuild" -- full stop.  I think that's a useful
operation to have.  Similarly, "clbuild slime" says: "Start slime using
clbuild without requiring any extra customization by the user".

Both commands are meant to save users from having to write configuration
files.

Now, if you'd like to start a lisp with your special configuration, one
that uses some but not all of clbuild's systems, or that has a different
startup routine, you can do that.

Just start SBCL normally and set the central registry the way you want.
At that point, there's not much reason to go through the clbuild shell
script at all.

That's also why we offer the "clbuild slime-configuration" command,
which shows what "clbuild slime" -would- have done, ready to be
copy&pasted into .emacs where it can be customized.

Perhaps we should have a command "clbuild lisp-configuration" which
shows what "clbuild lisp" would have done, ready to be copy&pasted into
.sbclrc.


d.


From victor.kryukov at gmail.com  Thu Mar  6 05:06:41 2008
From: victor.kryukov at gmail.com (Victor Kryukov)
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:06:41 -0600
Subject: [clbuild-devel] Re: user defined wnpp-projects and dependencies
References: <871w6vjge4.fsf@esculap.gateway.2wire.net>
	<m13aravg9t.fsf@snobis.de> <20080304185120.GA6637@radon>
Message-ID: <874pbkphjy.fsf@esculap.gateway.2wire.net>

David Lichteblau <david at lichteblau.com> writes:

> Quoting Stefan Nobis (stefan-ml at snobis.de):
>> > As a separate question - does it makes sense to add a keyword to
>> > update all the _installed_ packages, and only them?
>> 
>> I would second that.
>
> Done, please test.  The syntax is:
>   clbuild update --installed

Thanks! That works on my side.

Regards,
Victor.

-- 
http://macrodefinition.blogspot.com



From victor.kryukov at gmail.com  Thu Mar  6 05:08:51 2008
From: victor.kryukov at gmail.com (Victor Kryukov)
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:08:51 -0600
Subject: [clbuild-devel] postmodern dependency on closer-mop not detected
Message-ID: <87zltco2vw.fsf@esculap.gateway.2wire.net>

Hello list,

For some reason (maybe because of #+postmodern-use-mop in
postmodern.asd?) clbuild thinks that :closer-mop is not among the
dependencies for postmodern, which is wrong. It may be that
dependencies file should be regenerated.

Regards,
Victor.
-- 
http://macrodefinition.blogspot.com



From victor.kryukov at gmail.com  Thu Mar  6 05:55:08 2008
From: victor.kryukov at gmail.com (Victor Kryukov)
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:55:08 -0600
Subject: [clbuild-devel] postmodern: incompatible changes
Message-ID: <87ve40o0qr.fsf@esculap.gateway.2wire.net>

Hello list.

More on postmodern: today I've encountered a downside of clbuild
approach of "following latest and the greatest versions of libraries",
which I haven't expected before.

I've updated several libraries, including postmodern, using new lovely
"update --installed" option, and suddenly all my projects that are
using postmodern stopped working. It turned out[1] that Postmodern
introduced incompatible changes in the end-user interface, which was
pushed to its darcs repository. The old depository is still available
at [2].

That means that people who blindly update clbuild-managed libraries
and don't read the corresponding mailing lists would be hit by that
and similar changes. What do you think is the right strategy for
clbuild maintainers to respond:

a/ That's postmodern authors/users problem, clbuild is not involved,
or
b/ clbuild maintainers should have change postmodern download link to
the [2] in the transition period, or
c/ something else?

E.g. Debian would consider situation like that as a Debian bug, even
if package authors are to blame.

I'm wondering not because I cannot fix the problem myself (I can), or
expect clbuild developers to follow all included packages closely and
protect clbuild users from dangerous changes (it's completely
unrealistic), but because situations like that could happen in the
future, and clbuild should probably inform its users about such
possibility somewhere in the docs.

Regards,
Victor.


[1]
http://common-lisp.net/pipermail/postmodern-devel/2008-March/000198.html

[2] http://common-lisp.net/project/postmodern/darcs/postmodern-old 
-- 
http://macrodefinition.blogspot.com



From Blog at common-lisp.net  Thu Mar  6 22:31:20 2008
From: Blog at common-lisp.net (Blog at common-lisp.net)
Date: 06 Mar 2008 14:31:20 -0800
Subject: [clbuild-devel] How would you like to have your ad on 2 Million
	Websites ?
Message-ID: <20080306143118.B9D85FD89FB9BB8B@from.header.has.no.domain>

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From michaelw+clbuild at foldr.org  Thu Mar  6 11:59:50 2008
From: michaelw+clbuild at foldr.org (Michael Weber)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 12:59:50 +0100
Subject: [clbuild-devel] [patch] add html-template
Message-ID: <04023498-EF7D-47BA-AB9B-B34C4810AEC9@foldr.org>

Hi,

attached patch adds html-template (ediware).

Cheers,
Michael

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From david at lichteblau.com  Sun Mar  9 13:30:46 2008
From: david at lichteblau.com (David Lichteblau)
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 14:30:46 +0100
Subject: [clbuild-devel] postmodern: incompatible changes
In-Reply-To: <87ve40o0qr.fsf@esculap.gateway.2wire.net>
References: <87ve40o0qr.fsf@esculap.gateway.2wire.net>
Message-ID: <20080309133046.GA8407@radon>

Quoting Victor Kryukov (victor.kryukov at gmail.com):
> a/ That's postmodern authors/users problem, clbuild is not involved,
> or

I think clbuild serves as a test case here, making it easy to find out
whether packages are broken or incompatible with each other.

In practise, package authors will react quickly to reports that their
software has stopped working, and fix it soon.

(If they don't, the package is evidently unsupported, and it's
questionable whether it should be in the project list at all.)

> b/ clbuild maintainers should have change postmodern download link to
> the [2] in the transition period, or

If there is in fact such an intentional transition period longer than a
few days, and if we include software that depends on the old API, then
yes, absolutely.  In that case we should change the repository URL.

I haven't followed the postmodern situation.  Do we need the -old
repository?  Do you have a tested patch for the project list that I
should apply?

(Sometimes the opposite answer is right.  cffi is constantly being
developed in yet another darcs repository.  But lots of software out
there actually depends on those new features, so it would be harmful to
still download the main repository with its stable-but-outdated API.)

> c/ something else?

Well, there is perhaps a technical solution to part of this problem.

Without special support from clbuild, users would downgrade individual
projects by finding the last commit that worked and reverting to that.
Modern VCSs like svn and git make the last step easy, but first you need
to find the version that worked.

So we could automate that perhaps: Record the version that was installed
after each "update".

Then a new command "clbuild downgrade" could be written that checks out
the (or one of the) last recorded versions.

I'm sure that would be easy to do with svn and git (mostly likely darcs
also makes it easy).  I'm afraid it's going to be messy with CVS though.


d.


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