[clasp-devel] First Contribution: Proposed README_FIRST.txt

[Cayman Nava]

Hi Andy,

Just another datapoint, I've had a lot of trouble building the 'newbuild'
branch of clasp, *until recently*.

With the past few commits, the build process has run into no hiccups (not
even needing a restart in the middle, as was needed in the past), and *has
finished with no errors*.

I would try one more time on the most recent (as of writing this) commit of
the newbuild branch: 52d51fef56
<https://github.com/drmeister/clasp/commit/52d51fef563447f3693fed1c315b3d31e047933e>
.

Here's some information about my setup/process:

- Arch linux

- use preview branch of externals-clasp: 810eaaf8af
<https://github.com/drmeister/externals-clasp/commit/810eaaf8af7f845addfa44da3edbc7a5f82207d0>
  - clone externals-clasp, checkout preview, copy local.config.linux to
local.config & edit configuration, make
  - more explicitly -- for anyone else (w/o the 25 years of experience)
following along:

git clone https://github.com/drmeister/externals-clasp
cd externals-clasp
git checkout 810eaa
cp local.config.linux local.config
# edit local.config (in my case, set PJOBS higher, set GCC_TOOLCHAIN = /usr)
make

- use newbuild branch of clasp: 52d51fef56
<https://github.com/drmeister/clasp/commit/52d51fef563447f3693fed1c315b3d31e047933e>
    - clone clasp, checkout newbuild, copy local.config.linux to
local.config & edit configuration, make
    - more explicitly

git clone https://github.com/drmeister/clasp
cd clasp
git checkout 52d51f
cp local.config.linux local.config
 # edit local.config (in my case, set EXTERNALS_SOURCE_DIR, set PJOBS
higher)
make

---
Cheers,
Cayman

On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Andrew Robin <andrew.t.robin at gmail.com>
wrote:

> License: Public Domain
>
> YMMV
>
> As of 6/25/2015, I could not get Clasp to compile, even once.  See #clasp
> IRC log with entries tagged "clasp-build:".  Ignore ones with arobin.  I
> started on 6/20/2015.  For me, 6 days is enough for this incarnation of
> Clasp.
>
> Currently, compiling Clasp from source is not for the faint of heart.
> Some have done it, others like me have failed.  You have to go to an IRC
> chat room #clasp (admittedly, a nice, pleasant one ;) to do this for all
> practical purposes.  Don't bug Chris unless you are serious because he is
> busy.  I learned today the source code might change underneath you between
> builds--the make system seems to pull working repositories behind your back
> each time you run "make".  I definitely am not being critical--I have
> bootstrapped some scary systems, like a prototype VM on a custom PowerPC
> board--and it isn't easy.
>
> I thought I could do it because:
> o I have 25 years experience with Lisp and C++ and every language
> imaginable, in many application areas
> o I have distributed and contributed to a number of free projects,
> including building some iffy prototypes
> o I have worked on an Ada -> custom VM (human) safety critical compiler
> written from scratch--we weren't allowed to HAVE a make system for
> reproducibility
> o I have a strong need for the technology Chris is developing
> o I am very independent--I don't really even have a hand to hold, being a
> bird and all
> o I have a bird-brain and a degree in CS
>
> Where I went wrong:
> o Believed something I read on the internet
> o I don't possess knowledge of some of the more advanced concepts in Lisp,
> such as atoms, cons cells, and "groveling".
> o I fell for the line of "try this test version".  It is (semi) stable for
> me or nothing from now on.
> o I have no knowledge of bjam.  To be fair (to me) I have built boost (why
> does a template programming library need to be built?) from source.
> o I have always been more of a humorist than a software developer--I was
> born in Missouri and have read all of Mark Twain's works, more than once.
> Most people don't think I'm funny.
> o I don't work well with others
> o I have a bird-brain and a degree in CS
>
> I would resign, but I don't work here, contrary to what my current boss
> thinks.  I guess I can lurk here on the mailing list--unless I'm banned.
>
> Peace, and good luck. :-|
>
> --Andy (o>
>
>
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