<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">I was thinking we would want to maintain at least some ability to do a RacerPorter type application, or to display data in a dynamic way. Considering the current newness of AJAX, I'm not sure if that would be an option, although I do believe the Java hooks would be preferable to a Tk interface. <DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Also, I have added some menu items to the website, as well as written half the installation page (targeting Allegro). I do agree that we should be agnostic (I am writing setup for SBCL and Allegro), but I thought it may be best to have one solid distro we would all agree was crucial for the application to run in. I really don't want it to be a heap-limited commercial distro.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>However, chances are do to speed and features it will be ACL.</DIV><DIV><BR><DIV> <SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; 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font-family: Verdana; "></SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana; "><A href="mailto:brandon.werner@mac.com">brandon.werner@mac.com</A></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana; "><A href="http://www.brandonwerner.com">http://www.brandonwerner.com</A></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana"></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana; ">P +01 859 640.7148</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana; ">Skype: bbjwerner</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana; ">iChat - AIM: bbjwerner</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN> </DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Feb 8, 2006, at 2:01 AM, Alan Ruttenberg wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Why would you choose a particular lisp as opposed to aiming for platform neutrality? (I use openmcl, abcl, sbcl, cmucl) There are a variety of compatibility packages.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">It would seem to me that this is a more sensible course. Also you might want to consider McClim,<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>lambda GTK, calling out to java libraries, or AJAX technology for the UI all of which are a little more current than ltk. Unless you are thinking about some extremely cpu intensive user interface, I'd think it would make sense to go with a browser based solution.</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Regards,</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Alan</FONT></DIV><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; min-height: 14.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></FONT><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></P><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">On Feb 7, 2006, at 11:11 AM, <A href="mailto:brandon.werner@mac.com">brandon.werner@mac.com</A> wrote:</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">All:</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">There has been some debate among the researchers about which CL to use for this project. Although I have experience with both SBCL and Allegro, it would appear that Allegro is not going to release their 8.0 evaluation version anytime soon and this is the only version that includes the asdf: functionality we will be using to maintain and install builds of cl-semantic.</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Yes asdf can be easily added to Allegro, but SBCL is very easy to setup, and in a project where are are attempting to get as many developers interested as possible, many whom may not have university access to Allegro, it seems important that we have a CL that is ready right out of the box (we may even group all the source for Wilber and other necessary requires in to one .gz for easy deployment in to each developer's repository).</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">However, from my experience using SLIME with Allegro and SBCL, SBCL is extremely slow and is generally buggy on OSX do to Apple's Crash Reporter actively looking for Mach exceptions because Mac OSX has no idea that a program can do a SIGSEGV and keep on living.</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Anyone have any suggestions?</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">I would also like suggestions on a GUI environment for cl-semantic, perhaps ltk (uses Tk).</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Also, please start posting directly to the message group instead of to individual email addresses so that we can leverage our new home at common-lisp.net. We have had many people joint the development and announce list and we owe it to them to let everyone know what is going on, even if they have yet to join the project.</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Thanks!</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Brandon Werner</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">cl-semantic project administrator</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#0000ee" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #0000ee"><A href="http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-semantic/">http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-semantic/</A></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#0000ee" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #0000ee"><A href="mailto:brandon.werner@mac.com">brandon.werner@mac.com</A></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">cl-semanic is </FONT><FONT face="Arial" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Arial">a collection of RDF/OWL extraction and relationship parsing macros written in Common Lisp.</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">_______________________________________________</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">cl-semantic-devel mailing list</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><A href="mailto:cl-semantic-devel@common-lisp.net">cl-semantic-devel@common-lisp.net</A></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><A href="http://common-lisp.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cl-semantic-devel">http://common-lisp.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cl-semantic-devel</A></FONT></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>