From corey.sweeney at gmail.com  Thu Sep  1 20:51:20 2005
From: corey.sweeney at gmail.com (Corey Sweeney)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 15:51:20 -0500
Subject: [chicago-lisp] Gui interfaces
Message-ID: <d1c0755b05090113512d4d0805@mail.gmail.com>

I'm having GUI troubles, and I thought i'd see what everyone else is 
doing...

I'm having GUI troubles. Right now i'm using drscheme, which has unicode, a 
gui, and a builder. However, the gui is insanely slow. I do lots of 
complicated nested panels, and a screen refresh is taking over 15 seconds 
right now (it's getting too slow even for development work now). Gtk objects 
work much faster (but aren't stable as the gtk-ffi-lib is't finished)

Now I have the system split into a client and server, for just this type of 
problem....

The system can be interactively tested in the client, which is very helpfull 
during development.

Now if the client is written in scheme, then I can abuse the client/server 
spec, and add features on the client side... then when they are working, 
move them to their proper place on the server....

My other thoughts were to make a "thin gui client", which just managed 
events... so like we could have a client in any language that would recieve 
event X from the mouse, and pass to the server "event X happened". 

I tried writing the interface originally in java, but java seemed to freak 
on recursions. It's been a while, but if I remember right, it was like when 
a type A panel held a type B panel, which held a type A panel. (wouldn't 
even compile)

So I guess what i'm looking for is:
unicode support
Since it's part of the development cycle (i.e. 90% of the gui objects are to 
test things that aren't fully completed features yet), a GUI builder would 
be important.
and finally code portability or "thin-ness". i'm defining these as: if it's 
a scheme implementation that I can just cut and paste to the server code 
it's "portable", if its written in assembly but just passes events back and 
fourth, maintaining no real state, then it's "thin".


How is everyone else solving this?


Corey
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From corey.sweeney at gmail.com  Mon Sep 12 16:23:17 2005
From: corey.sweeney at gmail.com (Corey Sweeney)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 11:23:17 -0500
Subject: [chicago-lisp] hey everyone
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how's the inertia comming? :)

Corey


On 8/24/05, Paul F. Dietz <dietz at dls.net> wrote:
> 
> Corey Sweeney wrote:
> > Hi. I just saw this list and signed up for it. The description says
> > coomon lisp and scheme, but it's hosted on common-lisp.net<http://common-lisp.net>, 
> so I was
> > wondering if it's a mainly common lisp focused thing. (I'm a scheme
> > guy) (And sometimes I'm a "scheme without the set! command" guy).
> >
> > If everything is fair game we should get a link on schemers.org<http://schemers.org>"user
> > groups" page.
> 
> It's only met once, and the people organizing (sic :)) it are
> mostly Common Lispers, but Scheme isn't forbidden or discouraged.
> 
> We'll be having another meeting as soon as I can overcome
> inertia. Stay tuned.
> 
> Paul
>
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From remixer1 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 14 04:39:58 2005
From: remixer1 at gmail.com (remixer)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 23:39:58 -0500
Subject: [chicago-lisp] hey everyone
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I'd be up for a meeting, what with hearing about all the cool lisp
meetings that folks in vancouver and wellington and everywhere else
are having these days. Maybe we should talk about what bars folks on
this list frequent and we could at least get together for a cold pint
one of these days.

On 9/12/05, Corey Sweeney <corey.sweeney at gmail.com> wrote:
> how's the inertia comming? :)
>  
>  Corey
>  
> 
> On 8/24/05, Paul F. Dietz <dietz at dls.net> wrote:
> > Corey Sweeney wrote:
> > > Hi.  I just saw this list and signed up for it.  The description says
> > > coomon lisp and scheme, but it's hosted on common-lisp.net, so I was
> > > wondering if it's a mainly common lisp focused thing.  (I'm a scheme 
> > > guy)  (And sometimes I'm a "scheme without the set! command" guy).
> > >
> > > If everything is fair game we should get a link on schemers.org "user
> > > groups" page. 
> > 
> > It's only met once, and the people organizing (sic :)) it are
> > mostly Common Lispers, but Scheme isn't forbidden or discouraged.
> > 
> > We'll be having another meeting as soon as I can overcome
> > inertia.  Stay tuned. 
> > 
> >         Paul
> > 
> 
>  
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From ssrat at mailbag.com  Wed Sep 14 11:22:47 2005
From: ssrat at mailbag.com (David Douthitt)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 06:22:47 -0500
Subject: [chicago-lisp] hey everyone
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remixer wrote:
> Maybe we should talk about what bars folks on
> this list frequent and we could at least get together for a cold pint
> one of these days.

I don't frequent any bars...

How about a nice eatery?  "The Point" is nice... just come before 2pm :-)


From corey.sweeney at gmail.com  Sat Sep 17 20:39:09 2005
From: corey.sweeney at gmail.com (Corey Sweeney)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 15:39:09 -0500
Subject: Fwd: [chicago-lisp] hey everyone
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For food, there's the cheesecake factory in woodfield mall, and there's the 
ram just north of that.

Having it in a bar might not be a good idea as we may exclude some people 
under 21. However, I'm up for whichever. Just tell me where to go.

Corey



On 9/14/05, David Douthitt <ssrat at mailbag.com> wrote:
> 
> remixer wrote:
> > Maybe we should talk about what bars folks on
> > this list frequent and we could at least get together for a cold pint
> > one of these days.
> 
> I don't frequent any bars...
> 
> How about a nice eatery? "The Point" is nice... just come before 2pm :-) 
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> chicago-lisp at common-lisp.net
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From awolven at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 17 20:51:42 2005
From: awolven at yahoo.com (Andrew K. Wolven)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 15:51:42 -0500
Subject: Fw: [chicago-lisp] hey everyone
Message-ID: <001d01c5bbc9$9cddcf50$0d00a8c0@Schmazelshmox>

When?  I can go pretty much any evening except on Thursdays.  Weekends are open.  How about everyone else?

AKW


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Corey Sweeney 
To: chicago-lisp at common-lisp.net 
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 3:39 PM
Subject: Fwd: [chicago-lisp] hey everyone



For food, there's the cheesecake factory in woodfield mall, and there's the ram just north of that.

Having it in a bar might not be a good idea as we may exclude some people under 21.  However, I'm up for whichever.  Just tell me where to go.

Corey





On 9/14/05, David Douthitt <ssrat at mailbag.com > wrote:
  remixer wrote:
  > Maybe we should talk about what bars folks on
  > this list frequent and we could at least get together for a cold pint
  > one of these days.

  I don't frequent any bars...

  How about a nice eatery?  "The Point" is nice... just come before 2pm :-) 
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From corey.sweeney at gmail.com  Sat Sep 17 21:04:37 2005
From: corey.sweeney at gmail.com (Corey Sweeney)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 16:04:37 -0500
Subject: Fw: [chicago-lisp] hey everyone
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I'm good for weekends too, but could probably make a weeknight if we needed 
to. What about everyone else?

Corey

On 9/17/05, Andrew K. Wolven <awolven at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> When? I can go pretty much any evening except on Thursdays. Weekends are 
> open. How about everyone else?
>  AKW
>   ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Corey Sweeney<corey.sweeney at gmail.com> 
> *To:* chicago-lisp at common-lisp.net 
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 17, 2005 3:39 PM
> *Subject:* Fwd: [chicago-lisp] hey everyone
> 
> 
> For food, there's the cheesecake factory in woodfield mall, and there's 
> the ram just north of that.
> 
> Having it in a bar might not be a good idea as we may exclude some people 
> under 21. However, I'm up for whichever. Just tell me where to go.
> 
> Corey 
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/14/05, David Douthitt <ssrat at mailbag.com <ssrat at mailbag.com+>> wrote: 
> > 
> > remixer wrote:
> > > Maybe we should talk about what bars folks on
> > > this list frequent and we could at least get together for a cold pint
> > > one of these days.
> > 
> > I don't frequent any bars...
> > 
> > How about a nice eatery? "The Point" is nice... just come before 2pm :-) 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > chicago-lisp site list
> > chicago-lisp at common-lisp.net 
> > http://common-lisp.net/mailman/listinfo/chicago-lisp
> > 
> 
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