[cells-devel] Re: [cells-gtk-devel] installation notes, type error in test-gtk

[Peter Hildebrandt]

On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 5:38 PM, Kenny Tilton <kennytilton at optonline.net> wrote:
> Laziz Foo wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks! So I have lost track, is this Cells-Gtk3 (with Cells 3 Inside) or
>>> Oldskool Cells-Gtk?
>>
>>
>> This is cells-gtk3.  Oldschool works out of the box, but I wanted the
>> cairo stuff.
>
> And you got help from someone other than Peter H so it sounds as if CG3 has
> taken hold. Cool.
>
> So it is a battle to death between Cello and Cells-Gtk3 for GUI supremacy?
> Awesome.

I'm afraid I won't be able to push cells-gtk as much in the near
future.  Now that I have a job and a new apartment, Real Life keeps me
quite busy.

So 1:0 for cello ...

>> It also occurs to me that
>> if the 'yobbos' really wanted to popularize lisp, they'd find some way
>> to use cells-*tk to create a Visual Studio-like thingy that would
>> enable any CTO's nephew to say, "Oh lisp-- yeah, I do that."
>
> It would not help, I think. Programming is receding into the background (or
> India or Russia or China) of culture. Once was a time lotsa people wired up
> electronics. The career is still there for the odd weirdo, but -- well, it's
> like shade-tree auto mechanics: gone along with the simple technology.

I'd rather say it is like manufacturing:  Programming has become a
commodity rather than an art, so the big players produce where it is
cheapest.  So yes, the point-and-click low-barriers code writing will
be gone soon, along with making sneakers, plastic toys, and printed
circuit boards.

But -- every now and then a handful of smart people realizes that
there is more to programming than typing code, and then they create
something great.

Those people don't care about shiny IDEs, tho.

Peter