From kentilton at gmail.com Sat Jul 15 17:43:48 2006 From: kentilton at gmail.com (Ken Tilton) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 13:43:48 -0400 Subject: [cells-devel] Fwd: web applications with Cells In-Reply-To: References: <00c901c6a795$e087ce00$0d00a8c0@Schmazelshmox> Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ken Tilton Date: Jul 15, 2006 1:43 PM Subject: Re: web applications with Cells To: "Andrew K. Wolven" On 7/14/06, Andrew K. Wolven wrote: > Do you use allegro? yes. > I think it would be useful to have persistent Cells > objects, yes, I have done that in the past with Allegrostore, may do it someday with Rucksack. >where the slots are indexable. I believe that Cells flat updates > contents of all dependent slots on trigger. So you can index the slots. > > Anyway, > I have made my own javascript-windows-in-a-browser (that look like M$), and > then I found a much better javascript object-oriented window system which > can do Mac OS X looking windows among other things. Nice, what is that system? > > When the window jumps up, it keeps open a persistent connection (and I'm > reading a webpage on how to do this), the server can send information to a > listening javascript object. Sounds like one could deliver a serious web app with that. > > So lets say you have three windows open, two are of the exaclty the same > object and one different one. From the different one, you drag and drop the > contents of a slot into a slot of one of the two same objects. The second > same object needs to know how to update, right? [this is just a *simple* > example] Javascript does an HTTP request to the server to tell it that it > has been updated, and how. Cells then changes the real object in persistent > clos/cells, the dependent objects then serve *back* to the javascript object > in the browser to update. Sounds right. > > It could be cool. I don't see how to do it with lazy evaluation > efficiently. Why do you want it to be lazy? And your sentence is confusing. "Lazy" would not be inefficient, it would make things harder to program. Puzzled. kt From kentilton at gmail.com Sat Jul 15 19:50:30 2006 From: kentilton at gmail.com (Ken Tilton) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 15:50:30 -0400 Subject: [cells-devel] Re: web applications with Cells In-Reply-To: <001501c6a845$ff675650$0d00a8c0@Schmazelshmox> References: <00c901c6a795$e087ce00$0d00a8c0@Schmazelshmox> <001501c6a845$ff675650$0d00a8c0@Schmazelshmox> Message-ID: On 7/15/06, Andrew K. Wolven wrote: > >> Anyway, > >> I have made my own javascript-windows-in-a-browser (that look like M$), > >> and > >> then I found a much better javascript object-oriented window system which > >> can do Mac OS X looking windows among other things. > > > > Nice, what is that system? > > http://www.prototype-window.xilinus.com/ cool. thanks. > > > Why do you want it to be lazy? And your sentence is confusing. "Lazy" > > would not be inefficient, it would make things harder to program. > > Puzzled. > > > > kt > > Because a javascript object in the browser would tell a lazy evaluation > system on the server to make it's attributes "stale", but the server would > do no action to update the other javascript object (with those persistent > http connections). The other javascript objects would have to demand a > value from the server, but they don't know that they are supposed to. So > the browser update would never happen. I understand. Lazy works only in certain application roles, and this requirement sounds the opposite: eagerly bring a second view current with the first. Why are you considering laziness at all? kt ps. Did your subscription go through? After I subscribed you I got the announcement from the software that you had been subscribed, so that much worked. k From spambait at CloudDancer.com Tue Jul 18 17:17:07 2006 From: spambait at CloudDancer.com (GP lisper) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:17:07 -0700 Subject: [cells-devel] Re: web applications with Cells References: <00c901c6a795$e087ce00$0d00a8c0@Schmazelshmox> <001501c6a845$ff675650$0d00a8c0@Schmazelshmox> Message-ID: On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 15:50:30 -0400, wrote: > On 7/15/06, Andrew K. Wolven wrote: >> >> Anyway, I have made my own javascript-windows-in-a-browser (that >> >> look like M$), and then I found a much better javascript >> >> object-oriented window system which can do Mac OS X looking >> >> windows among other things. >> > >> > Nice, what is that system? >> >> http://www.prototype-window.xilinus.com/ This doesn't seem to exist. -- Reply-To email is ignored. From awolven at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 20:56:39 2006 From: awolven at yahoo.com (Andrew K. Wolven) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:56:39 -0500 Subject: [cells-devel] Re: web applications with Cells References: <00c901c6a795$e087ce00$0d00a8c0@Schmazelshmox><001501c6a845$ff675650$0d00a8c0@Schmazelshmox> Message-ID: <005501c6ac3e$ffa8cc00$0d00a8c0@Schmazelshmox> ----- Original Message ----- From: "GP lisper" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 12:17 PM Subject: [cells-devel] Re: web applications with Cells > On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 15:50:30 -0400, wrote: >> On 7/15/06, Andrew K. Wolven wrote: >>> >> Anyway, I have made my own javascript-windows-in-a-browser (that >>> >> look like M$), and then I found a much better javascript >>> >> object-oriented window system which can do Mac OS X looking >>> >> windows among other things. >>> > >>> > Nice, what is that system? >>> >>> http://www.prototype-window.xilinus.com/ > > This doesn't seem to exist. > It works for me. Try again later. AKW > -- > Reply-To email is ignored. > > _______________________________________________ > cells-devel site list > cells-devel at common-lisp.net > http://common-lisp.net/mailman/listinfo/cells-devel From kentilton at gmail.com Thu Jul 20 21:05:51 2006 From: kentilton at gmail.com (Ken Tilton) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:05:51 -0400 Subject: [cells-devel] Re: web applications with Cells In-Reply-To: References: <00c901c6a795$e087ce00$0d00a8c0@Schmazelshmox> <001501c6a845$ff675650$0d00a8c0@Schmazelshmox> <005501c6ac3e$ffa8cc00$0d00a8c0@Schmazelshmox> Message-ID: Sorry meant that for the list On 7/20/06, Ken Tilton wrote: > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "GP lisper" < spambait at CloudDancer.com> > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 12:17 PM > > Subject: [cells-devel] Re: web applications with Cells > > > > > > > On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 15:50:30 -0400, wrote: > > >> On 7/15/06, Andrew K. Wolven wrote: > > >>> >> Anyway, I have made my own javascript-windows-in-a-browser (that > > >>> >> look like M$), and then I found a much better javascript > > >>> >> object-oriented window system which can do Mac OS X looking > > >>> >> windows among other things. > > >>> > > > >>> > Nice, what is that system? > > >>> > > >>> http://www.prototype-window.xilinus.com/ > > > > > > This doesn't seem to exist. > > > > Could you be more specific? I found the site, DLed the package, unzipped > OK, stopped there. > > kt > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spambait at CloudDancer.com Fri Jul 21 17:01:22 2006 From: spambait at CloudDancer.com (GP lisper) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:01:22 -0700 Subject: [cells-devel] Re: web applications with Cells References: <00c901c6a795$e087ce00$0d00a8c0@Schmazelshmox> <001501c6a845$ff675650$0d00a8c0@Schmazelshmox> <005501c6ac3e$ffa8cc00$0d00a8c0@Schmazelshmox> Message-ID: On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:05:51 -0400, wrote: >> > > On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 15:50:30 -0400, wrote: >> > >> On 7/15/06, Andrew K. Wolven wrote: >> > >>> >> Anyway, I have made my own javascript-windows-in-a-browser (that >> > >>> >> look like M$), and then I found a much better javascript >> > >>> >> object-oriented window system which can do Mac OS X looking >> > >>> >> windows among other things. >> > >>> > >> > >>> > Nice, what is that system? >> > >>> >> > >>> http://www.prototype-window.xilinus.com/ >> > > >> > > This doesn't seem to exist. >> >> Could you be more specific? I found the site, DLed the package, unzipped >> OK, stopped there. For me: ** server can't find http://www.prototype-window.xilinus.com/: NXDOMAIN -- Reply-To email is ignored. From fgoenninger at prion.de Fri Jul 21 17:41:58 2006 From: fgoenninger at prion.de (Frank Goenninger) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 19:41:58 +0200 Subject: Fwd: [cells-devel] Re: web applications with Cells References: <70592EAF-F051-4A15-A6B4-0089D226F297@mac.com> Message-ID: <1323974D-6942-4826-BD8A-ED2ACA50C6DA@prion.de> > Am 21.07.2006 um 19:01 schrieb GP lisper: > >> On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:05:51 -0400, wrote: >>>>>> On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 15:50:30 -0400, wrote: >>>>>>> On 7/15/06, Andrew K. Wolven wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Anyway, I have made my own javascript-windows-in-a-browser >>>>>>>>>> (that >>>>>>>>>> look like M$), and then I found a much better javascript >>>>>>>>>> object-oriented window system which can do Mac OS X looking >>>>>>>>>> windows among other things. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Nice, what is that system? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.prototype-window.xilinus.com/ >>>>>> >>>>>> This doesn't seem to exist. >>>> >>>> Could you be more specific? I found the site, DLed the package, >>>> unzipped >>>> OK, stopped there. >> >> >> For me: >> >> ** server can't find http://www.prototype-window.xilinus.com/: >> NXDOMAIN > Nameserver problem. You on Linux? If so, do: $ nslookup www.prototype-window.xilinus.com and tell us what the output is. Cheers, Frank > Nameserver problem. > > You on Linux? If so, do: > > $ nslookup www.prototype-window.xilinus.com > > and tell us what the output is. > > Cheers > Frank > From spambait at CloudDancer.com Mon Jul 24 20:49:58 2006 From: spambait at CloudDancer.com (GP lisper) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:49:58 -0700 Subject: [cells-devel] Re: Fwd: Re: web applications with Cells References: <70592EAF-F051-4A15-A6B4-0089D226F297@mac.com> <1323974D-6942-4826-BD8A-ED2ACA50C6DA@prion.de> Message-ID: On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 19:41:58 +0200, wrote: >> Am 21.07.2006 um 19:01 schrieb GP lisper: >> >>> On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:05:51 -0400, wrote: >>>>>>> On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 15:50:30 -0400, wrote: >>>>>>>> On 7/15/06, Andrew K. Wolven wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, I have made my own javascript-windows-in-a-browser >>>>>>>>>>> (that >>>>>>>>>>> look like M$), and then I found a much better javascript >>>>>>>>>>> object-oriented window system which can do Mac OS X looking >>>>>>>>>>> windows among other things. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Nice, what is that system? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.prototype-window.xilinus.com/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This doesn't seem to exist. >>>>> >>>>> Could you be more specific? I found the site, DLed the package, >>>>> unzipped >>>>> OK, stopped there. >>> >>> >>> For me: >>> >>> ** server can't find http://www.prototype-window.xilinus.com/: >>> NXDOMAIN >> > > Nameserver problem. > > You on Linux? If so, do: > > $ nslookup www.prototype-window.xilinus.com > > and tell us what the output is. You've read it (note the part about 'server'). The nameserver problem is obviously that the domain NS are blocked from my location. The standard workaround is to post what IP address someone else obtains. -- Reply-To email is ignored.