Here is the FTGL web site: http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/henryj/code/ Henry looks like a Mac OS X developer. Anyway, I noticed the Freetype project and remembered, doh!, you need that, too. kt -- http://tilton-technology.com Why Lisp? http://alu.cliki.net/RtL%20Highlight%20Film Your Project Here! http://alu.cliki.net/Industry%20Application