<div dir="auto">Ah, pleasure to learn of another fellow<div dir="auto"> (symbol-name '#:foo)<div dir="auto">enjoyer :)</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jun 5, 2023, 10:18 AM Marco Antoniotti <<a href="mailto:marco.antoniotti@unimib.it">marco.antoniotti@unimib.it</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi</div><div><br></div><div>CLAD can be used for *any* Mac/Windows/UN*X configuration. The current limitations are that it assumes "personal" configurations and not "system wide/admin accessible only locations".<br><br></div><div>The issue is that, as soon as ASDF gets loaded, it should load CLAD as a minimal prerequisite. At that point you have the CLAD package present and you can issue a <br><br><div style="margin-left:40px"><span style="font-family:monospace">(clad:ensure-app-or-library-data-folder "ASDF")</span></div></div><div><br></div><div>or even a</div><div><br></div><div style="margin-left:40px">
<span style="font-family:monospace">(clad:ensure-app-or-library-data-folder "ASDF" :impl-dependent t)</span></div><div><br></div><div>And you will have the, e.g., <span style="font-family:monospace">"~/Library/Common Lisp/ASDF/</span>" ready on a Mac, or the<span style="font-family:monospace"> "C:/Users/MeMyself/AppData/Roaming/Common Lisp/ASDF/LispWorks/"</span> ready on Windows (10, and 11 for sure).</div><div><br></div><div>Is that what you want?<br><br></div><div>I did write this thingy because there was a pesky configuration issue with - another shameless plus - HELambdaP (<a href="https://helambdap.sf.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://helambdap.sf.net</a>). I believe it solved the problem in a rather general way.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div><br></div><div>Marco<br><br></div><div>PS Of course there is another rabbit hole to be handled - or avoided :)<br>What you REALLY want to have in the "ASDF loading code" is:</div><div><span style="font-family:monospace"><br></span></div><div style="margin-left:40px"><span style="font-family:monospace">(load-if-possible "CLAD-STUFF")<br></span></div><div style="margin-left:40px"><span style="font-family:monospace">(funcall (find-symbol (string '#:ensure-app-or-library-data-folder) "CLAD") "ASDF")</span></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br>
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<div>AFAIU this is the configuration of ASDF itself, when loading in a fresh CL. I think we are not clear about the timing of what should be loaded when.</div>
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<div>CLAD does not need ASDF or UIOP. It just has a .asd file because Quicklisp asks for it.</div>
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<p dir="auto">TBQH, I am not as sure as I should be. I try to avoid all the configuration that happens while ASDF loads, so that I configure only <em>after</em> the load is complete, at a point where I can watch what goes on. As I have said before, I don't like the configuration that uses config files, environment variables or magic directories, because it's impossible to debug (by the time ASDF is loaded and can be instrumented, it's too late).</p>
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<div dir="auto"><span>CLAD is minimal and barebones. You can load it from two files (just because the DEFPACKAGE is separate) and it’s there. Look ma! No ASDF! :) (Or UIOP)</span></div>
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<div dir="auto"><span>But I see your point. Time to add a clad-setup.lisp file.</span></div>
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<p dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><span>Thanks for the kind words! I am not sure why I didn't see your post on ASDF-devel, but I didn't. And I have seen several requests for moderation, so the list seems live. In case my response is interesting to the group, I am responding to the list as well.</span></p>
<p dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><span>A couple of disclaimers: (1) I haven't used Windows in more than a decade, and (2) I don't use these configuration files. I find I'm happier to keep all of my lisp configuration in lisp configuration files (<code style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0.25em;border-radius:3px;font-family:monospace;background-color:rgb(247,247,247)"><a href="http://clinit.cl" style="font-family:monospace" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">clinit.cl</a></code>, <code style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0.25em;border-radius:3px;font-family:monospace;background-color:rgb(247,247,247)">.sbclrc</code>, etc. -- indeed I point all of those at one single <code style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0.25em;border-radius:3px;font-family:monospace;background-color:rgb(247,247,247)">lisp-config.lisp</code> file), instead of having to hunt through multiple files in multiple locations for this information. So take anything I say with more than a grain of salt (given your cardiologist approves!).</span></p>
<p dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><span>That said, these config files are placed according to the XDG standard which... as far as I can tell only applies to linux, and not to either Windows or MacOS. So there's code in ASDF/UIOP that extends XDG to other platforms. ASDF documentation about XDG can be found <a href="https://asdf.common-lisp.dev/asdf.html#XDG-base-directory" style="font-family:sans-serif;color:rgb(57,131,196)" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">here</a>.</span></p>
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<p dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><span>I hope that these snippets have been helpful, and if you find the answers you seek, please send to me and ASDF-devel, so that the information will be available to others.</span></p>
<p dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><span>It might be a good thing if someone with the resources would gift a Windows resource to the CL Foundation to hook into <code style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0.25em;border-radius:3px;font-family:monospace;background-color:rgb(247,247,247)"><a href="http://common-lisp.net" style="font-family:monospace" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">common-lisp.net</a></code> so that the community doesn't have to rely on this kind of guesswork. I note that ASDF is no longer tested on Windows at all, since I don't have access to a Windows VM and even if I did, I wouldn't know how to use it (nor do I have the time to learn).</span></p>
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<p dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><span>Some longish time ago you were kind enough to help me with ASDF matters.<br>
I posted recently to asdf-devel, largely in the hope that you might see it, I confess.</span></p>
<p dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><span>Web search has, so far, not been helpful, I'm afraid.</span></p>
<p dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><span>I shall quite understand if you do not reply; your inbox must receive lots of this sort of thing.</span></p>
<p dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><span>I have a test system in c:/ASDF/asdf-tests/ copied from the linux directory /home/gwbennett/ASDF/asdf-tests/</span></p>
<p dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><span>Under Linux in my source-registry.conf.d directory I have the file gb-source.conf<br>
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<p dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><span>Then in sbcl I can issue (asdf:load-system "gb-a") and all is well.</span></p>
<p dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><span>I have tried various spots for gb-source.conf under Windows, all without success:</span></p>
<p dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><span>c:\Users\Greg\AppData\Local\config\common-lisp\source-registry.conf.d\</span></p>
<p dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><span>c:\Users\Greg\</span></p>
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<p dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><span>If I issue, old style, (push "c:/ASDF/asdf-tests/" asdf:*central-registry*) then all is well.</span></p>
<p dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><span>Perhaps there is no place for a config file under W!</span></p>
<p dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><span>Cheers</span></p>
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