<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Robert</div><div><br></div><div>isn't :properties a kitchen sink for "plist" stuff? Just using it does not require subclassing ASDF:SYSTEM, but I see that there may be some issues. I guess I can come up with something different.</div><div><br></div><div>All the best</div><div><br></div><div>Marco</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 3:19 PM Robert P. Goldman <<a href="mailto:rpgoldman@sift.net">rpgoldman@sift.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Neat! Thanks for posting the pointer! BTW, you might want to change the name from :properties to something like :doc-properties to avoid potential name collisions...<br> <br><div><div>-- <br>Robert P. Goldman</div></div> <p class="gmail_quote" style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">On March 20, 2021 at 09:11:45, Marco Antoniotti (<a href="mailto:marco.antoniotti@unimib.it" target="_blank">marco.antoniotti@unimib.it</a>) wrote:</p> <blockquote type="cite" class="gmail_quote"><span><div><div></div><div>
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<div>Cool, thanks!<br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Turns out that just using :properties in the system definition
works.<br>
<br></div>
<div>Check out <a href="https://within-parens.blogspot.com/2021/03/he-asdf.html" target="_blank">(within
parens...): HEΛPing ASDF (within-parens.blogspot.com)</a></div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Cheers</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Marco</div>
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<div>Yes, if you look at FIVEAM-ASDF, that is how John Maraist and
I do it. We introduce a subclass of systems that has an extra slot
holding the list of tests to be performed, and PERFORM reads that
slot when doing TEST-OP.<br>
<br>
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<div>-- <br>
Robert P. Goldman</div>
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<p class="gmail_quote" style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">On March 20, 2021
at 02:45:57, Marco Antoniotti (<a href="mailto:marco.antoniotti@unimib.it" target="_blank">marco.antoniotti@unimib.it</a>) wrote:</p>
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<div><span>Ok.<br>
<br></span></div>
<div><span>Well, can you at least have a plist or something in the
component specification? I presume yes. I am just
allergic to RTFM as you know :)</span></div>
<div><span><br></span></div>
<div><span>Marco<br></span></div>
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<p dir="auto"><span>We don't actually. Faré deprecated that. The
reasons are complicated, but basically, it wasn't possible to
propagate arguments through a plan. What do you need an argument
for? Maybe there's a work-around.</span></p>
<p dir="auto"><span>On 19 Mar 2021, at 16:24, Marco Antoniotti
wrote:</span></p>
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<div><span>BTW.<br>
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<div><span>If you do not advise to specialize OPERATE, how do you
pass arguments to PERFORM?</span></div>
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<div><span>MA<br></span></div>
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<p dir="auto"><span>P.S. I don't recommend writing your own
<code style="background-color:rgb(247,247,247);border-radius:3px;margin:0px;padding:0px 0.4em" bgcolor="#F7F7F7">OPERATE</code> methods -- <code style="background-color:rgb(247,247,247);border-radius:3px;margin:0px;padding:0px 0.4em" bgcolor="#F7F7F7">OPERATE</code> is quite complicated and messing
with it could lead you into very deep water. I don't believe you
should ever need to.</span></p>
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wrote:</span></p>
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<p dir="auto"><span>Hi. I'm happy to help you work through this,
but so that it doesn't recur as a problem, I'd appreciate it if you
would help me fix the manual's discussion of this.</span></p>
<p dir="auto"><span>First, have you read this page <a href="https://common-lisp.net/project/asdf/asdf.html#Creating-new-operations" style="color:rgb(57,131,196)" target="_blank">https://common-lisp.net/project/asdf/asdf.html#Creating-new-operations</a>
?</span></p>
<p dir="auto"><span>Please have a look at that -- it's not very
long -- and let us know what more needs to be supplied.</span></p>
<p dir="auto"><span>I note the discussion of <code style="background-color:rgb(247,247,247);border-radius:3px;margin:0px;padding:0px 0.4em" bgcolor="#F7F7F7">operation-done-p</code>. I suspect that is your
problem -- your new operation is not aware that it needs to be
performed.</span></p>
<p dir="auto"><span>This page is substantially redundant with the
pages on the object model, and should be beefed up with
cross-references, and more inclusion of docstrings...</span></p>
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<div><span>Hi</span></div>
<div><span><br></span></div>
<div><span>I am trying to create a new ASDF:OPERATION, but I must
be missing something and the manual (or Google) does not seem to
help much.<br>
<br></span></div>
<span>How do you create a new operation, which may be quite
simple? Or better, how do you get PERFORM and/or OPERATE to
actually do something for you.<br>
<br></span></div>
<span>I know I should RTFM, but in this case it is more of a RTFC,
which is far more difficult.<br>
<br></span></div>
<span>I tried the following<br>
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<div><span><span style="font-family:monospace">(defclass my-op
(non-propagating-operation) ())</span></span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:monospace"><br></span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:monospace">(defmethod perform ((o
my-op) (s system))<br></span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:monospace"> (print
42))<br>
<br></span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:monospace">(defmethod operate ((o
my-op) (s system) &key &allow-other-keys)</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:monospace"> (print
666))</span></div>
<div><br></div>
<div>But then, doing<br>
<br></div>
<div><span style="font-family:monospace">cl-user 42> (operate
'my-op (find-system "somesys") :bar 1024)<br></span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:monospace">#<MY-OP
><br></span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:monospace">#<ASDF/PLAN:SEQUENTIAL-PLAN
2301B97B></span></div>
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<div>is all I get.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Any tutorial or advice?<br>
<br></div>
<div>Thanks<br></div>
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