Lisp filepath issues when running application directly from jar file
ehuels at gmail.com
Mon Aug 17 12:52:22 UTC 2015
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 2:04 PM, Ralph Ritoch <rritoch at gmail.com> wrote:
> This "idiot" refactored a very small portion of your code making it MUCH
> faster, and also passed more than 90% of the tests ABCL is currently
> failing, leaving only 3 ansi-tests that are still failing. If I'm an idiot
> it doesn't say much about you since you've been working on this for years
> and I've only been working on it for weeks.
True. But it's not like you solved all these issues by fundamentally
supporting what they're testing for. The complex types that you fixed (and
I already said this in IRC) could have been fixed the way you did over 10
years ago. We find it more important to fix the underlying issues. I'd like
to note here that compliance doesn't come from "not failing the ansi
tests", but from implementing the features the tests are trying to test. In
other words, you're not compliant with a class of issues by being able to
produce on specific instance of the class.
The fix to make things "MUCH faster" as you say doesn't solve problems in
the bigger picture; does the ABCL in your git repository now have fewer
CL-TEST-GRID failures? If not, then it's not more useful than it was
before: it doesn't run more of the most-used CL code out there.... Now,
*that* would have been a great and useful contribution. I'm affraid that
coming rushing in, expecting immediate answers, solving unimportart
problems, calling people names if they don't respond quickly enough by your
standards and then hard-forking the project all don't classify as great
I hoped that we could get the progress you said you wanted through the
discussion that's to be expected when you are an open source contributor.
Alas, as Mark points out, there hasn't been much of the discussion I had
> Best Regards,
> Ralph Ritoch
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 8:00 PM, <armedbear-devel-request at common-lisp.net>
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>> 1. Re: Lisp filepath issues when running application directly
>> from jar file (Mark Evenson)
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>> Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 14:38:44 +0200
>> From: Mark Evenson <evenson at panix.com>
>> To: Armed Bear <armedbear-devel at common-lisp.net>
>> Subject: Re: Lisp filepath issues when running application directly
>> from jar file
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>> > On Aug 16, 2015, at 02:34, Ralph Ritoch <rritoch at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I have used this function in my code without ANY problems. [?]
>> The SYSTEM package is not intended to be used by users unless there is no
>> alternative. The manual states clearly that functionality provided by
>> is subject to be changed between major releases without warning.
>> the argument in this case isn?t that one would have problems using
>> SYSTEM:LOAD-SYSTEM-FILE, but rather that one should use the ANSI
>> interface as
>> implemented CL:LOAD which should be able to load Lisp and/or fasls in all
>> needed by the user. My work on EXT:JAR-PATHNAME and EXT:URL-PATHNAME was
>> motivated by precisely the need for CL:LOAD to work in all conceivable
>> cases in
>> the JVM ecology. And the best contemporary mechanism for expression for
>> resolution of and dependency order for CL:LOAD lies in ASDF, hence my
>> emphasis on using its abstraction where extending CL:LOAD is not
>> As a side note, over time, we wish to move functions in SYSTEM which
>> useful to
>> the user into the EXTENSION package, but this work is incomplete at best.
>> Currently, there are indeed cases in which using a function from SYSTEM is
>> unavoidable. The use of SYSTEM:LOAD-SYSTEM-FILE is not one of them.
>> > Your attitude regarding "progress" is archaic. If you don't want to
>> support maven or other java technologies why do you even bother controlling
>> Your attitude towards discussion is not only archaic (i.e. immature) but
>> counterproductive towards reaching the sort of consensus needed for
>> However misguided such an endeavor may be, a couple points follow towards
>> defense from your sleazy ad hominem ?argumentation?.
>> As for supporting Maven, I have developed the machinery to use Maven
>> in ABCL-ASDF, and continued to maintain them (with help from users) even
>> as the
>> lurching horror that comprises Maven release engineering continues to
>> API semantics between patch level releases. I have offered to collaborate
>> with you on incorporating your initial work on building from Maven,
>> out the problems that I see with your approach to which I have received no
>> As for supporting ?other technologies?, I suppose you are referring to
>> attempt to merge abcl-contrib.jar and abcl.jar. In this effort, I
>> pointed out
>> you could do this cleanly with the current code by adding site-specific
>> code to
>> the ?system.lisp? file whose contents are controlled by the Ant build
>> Since your Maven build doesn?t use the Ant target to package (one of my
>> explicit criticisms), you presumedly weren?t interested in using this
>> mechanism. I responded twice to your proposal to probe jar files on the
>> classpath for code to pontential load with suggestions which you found too
>> burdensome to discuss so you developed what you needed. Your email
>> this implementation implied you had implemented to a ?specification?, but
>> such entity existed external to the source code. If you wish to provide
>> such a
>> specification for your current implementation, please do so that others
>> consider its usefulness.
>> As to whether I control ABCL, I was going to reply that I am but one
>> out of five; that you are welcome to convince a majority of the
>> through useful and accepted contributions that that you should be in
>> too; and that since the code is GPL?d so you are welcome to get the fork
>> out of
>> here. But at this point, I would reply that if I do somehow ?control?
>> ABCL, I
>> am glad to protect it from idiots like you.
>> "A screaming comes across the sky. It has happened before but there is
>> to compare to it now."
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