From root at common-lisp.net  Sat Apr  2 11:52:36 2005
From: root at common-lisp.net (root)
Date: Sat,  2 Apr 2005 13:52:36 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [admin] added plain-odbc; owned by raverkamp
Message-ID: <20050402115236.12EF288669@common-lisp.net>

Add successful at 2005.04.02.13.52.


From smakine4 at welho.com  Thu Apr  7 18:58:12 2005
From: smakine4 at welho.com (Sami Makinen)
Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:58:12 +0300
Subject: [admin] Project hosting
Message-ID: <425582C4.1090802@welho.com>

Hi,

I've couple of small games written in Common Lisp using CMU CL
which I would like to put into public for further development.
Maybe you could help me?-)

cl-hasami-shogi

 Written by Sami Makinen
 MIT license

 Text based Japanese board game called Hasami Shogi.
 It is a rather simple game and current AI is pretty lousy
 so even a beginner can beat it!

cl-pacman

  Written by Sami Makinen
  MIT license

   Pac-Man? is a classic arcade game from Namco of Japan. Pac-Man is a
   Trademark of Namco Ltd.  cl-pacman is a Common Lisp version of the
   game and its intention is to be available only for the educational
   purposes. The implementation does not have one fixed level but the
   level is created by random in which it differs from the original idea.
   The emphasis on cl-pacman is in implementation of Dijkstra's shortest
   path algorithm.
   This uses CLX for graphics and it has sound engine but no sounds!
   Current status includes implementation of basic features of the game
   and AI of the four ghosts has been implemented. But still quite much
   needs to be done to make this a playable game.

cl-raiders

  Written by Sami Makinen
  MIT license

  Raiders is a game found originally from Andre LaMothe's book Tricks of
  the 3D Game Programming Gurus-Advanced 3D Graphics and Rasterization in
  chapter 1. The original version is written in C for Windows DirectX. 
The version
  presented here is written in Common Lisp and it uses SDL for graphics 
operations.

  The implementation has a wierd approach to use labels construct and 
better
  idea would have been to declaim functions to be inline. The current 
version
  is about 1.2 times slower than corresponding C version which also uses
  SDL and runs on same machine with same environment.


    With kindly regards,
 
              Sami Makinen



From mmommer at common-lisp.net  Thu Apr  7 22:46:40 2005
From: mmommer at common-lisp.net (Mario S. Mommer)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 00:46:40 +0200
Subject: [admin] Project hosting
In-Reply-To: <425582C4.1090802@welho.com> (Sami Makinen's message of "Thu,
	07 Apr 2005 21:58:12 +0300")
References: <425582C4.1090802@welho.com>
Message-ID: <87psx68asv.fsf@darkstar.example.net>


Sami Makinen <smakine4 at welho.com> writes:
> I've couple of small games written in Common Lisp using CMU CL
> which I would like to put into public for further development.
> Maybe you could help me?-)

!-)

Sounds good!

> cl-hasami-shogi
>
>  Written by Sami Makinen
>  MIT license

> cl-pacman
>
>   Written by Sami Makinen
>   MIT license

> cl-raiders
>
>   Written by Sami Makinen
>   MIT license

No problem in principle. I wonder, however, if it wouldn't be more
practical to have them all under one project..?

What do you think?

Regards,
        Mario


From mmommer at common-lisp.net  Tue Apr 12 20:04:49 2005
From: mmommer at common-lisp.net (Mario S. Mommer)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:04:49 +0200
Subject: [admin] Project hosting
In-Reply-To: <425C1DC5.1050104@welho.com> (Sami Makinen's message of "Tue,
	12 Apr 2005 22:13:09 +0300")
References: <425582C4.1090802@welho.com> <87psx68asv.fsf@darkstar.example.net>
	<425626D7.7010702@welho.com> <871x9hw39w.fsf@darkstar.example.net>
	<425C1DC5.1050104@welho.com>
Message-ID: <873btvbw2m.fsf@darkstar.example.net>

Sami Makinen <smakine4 at welho.com> writes:
> Let's put all under one project but I'm entering into a classical
> problem - what would be the name of the project.
> Any suggestions?-)

How 'bout samigames? :-)


>
> Plese check attachment for my PGP key.
>
>
> Mario S. Mommer wrote:
>
>>Hi
>>
>>Sami Makinen <smakine4 at welho.com> writes:
>>
>>
>>>I think one project would be good idea. Maybe the project name could
>>>be something like cl-games and put everything under it in subdirectories.
>>>cl-games is maybe a bit too generic though? I have no clue how
>>>actively people write games in common lisp for fun but if there
>>>is more to come some sort of hierarchy could be later useful.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Well, we can as well put each one in its own project.
>>
>>I thought perhaps you were sharing a bit of infrastructure, and would
>>prefer to have it under one project. Easier to manage (for you).
>>
>>cl-games is a bit generic, I agree.
>>
>>At the end, it is your choice :-)
>>
>>Regards,
>>        Mario.
>>
>>P.S: I need you PGP key to open an account.
>>
>>
>>
>
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From mb at bese.it  Thu Apr 14 10:56:49 2005
From: mb at bese.it (Marco Baringer)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 12:56:49 +0200
Subject: [admin] ViewARCH
Message-ID: <m2wtr5lj7y.fsf@soma.local>


the ViewARCH install on cl.net has broken (i think its acutally been
broken for a while). It'd be nice if instead of fixing the current
ViewARCH we could upgrade to a recent dev version of archzoom (same
idea but has a nicer feature set and is easier to install). i'd be
happy to do it myself or walk someone through it (i've already
installed and setup archzoom a few time).

-- 
-Marco
Ring the bells that still can ring.
Forget the perfect offering.
There is a crack in everything.
That's how the light gets in.
	-Leonard Cohen


From mommer at sdf-eu.org  Thu Apr 14 22:16:34 2005
From: mommer at sdf-eu.org (Mario S. Mommer)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 00:16:34 +0200
Subject: [admin] ViewARCH
In-Reply-To: <m2wtr5lj7y.fsf@soma.local> (Marco Baringer's message of "Thu,
	14 Apr 2005 12:56:49 +0200")
References: <m2wtr5lj7y.fsf@soma.local>
Message-ID: <874qe9qa0t.fsf@darkstar.example.net>


"Marco Baringer" <mb at bese.it> writes:
> the ViewARCH install on cl.net has broken (i think its acutally been
> broken for a while). It'd be nice if instead of fixing the current
> ViewARCH we could upgrade to a recent dev version of archzoom (same
> idea but has a nicer feature set and is easier to install). i'd be
> happy to do it myself or walk someone through it (i've already
> installed and setup archzoom a few time).

No problem in principle (I'll contact you next week about it).

How secure is that version?

Regards,
        Mario.


From djwatson at u.washington.edu  Sat Apr 16 17:50:38 2005
From: djwatson at u.washington.edu (djwatson at u.washington.edu)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 10:50:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [admin] [hosting request] cl-magick
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.43.0504161050380.5706@hymn08.u.washington.edu>

Request for hosting:

cl-magick is a set of ImageMagick bindings.   Bindings created by preprocessing C-header files, then running through a c-header to uffi transformer, and then post-processed.

Most basic functionality works at this point (load image, pixel wands, etc...).   Known not to work are all functions requiring structs that are not magick_wand (high level C interface), but part of image magick core C (low level interface).   This was deemed acceptable, as most people just want access to higher level interfaces anyhow.

With time and more users I would hope these extra functions would eventually get corresponding structs (as much as is needed from lower level library), and more testing.

Is an asdf package.

License will most likely be LLGPL or something in that vein.   Still looking into this...

-Dave Watson
djwatson at u.washington.edu





From mmommer at common-lisp.net  Tue Apr 19 06:31:02 2005
From: mmommer at common-lisp.net (Mario S. Mommer)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 08:31:02 +0200
Subject: [admin] [hosting request] cl-magick
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.43.0504161050380.5706@hymn08.u.washington.edu>
	(djwatson@u.washington.edu's
	message of "Sat, 16 Apr 2005 10:50:38 -0700 (PDT)")
References: <Pine.LNX.4.43.0504161050380.5706@hymn08.u.washington.edu>
Message-ID: <874qe3ffbt.fsf@darkstar.example.net>

djwatson at u.washington.edu writes:
> Request for hosting:
[...]

Sounds good.

> License will most likely be LLGPL or something in that vein.  Still
> looking into this...

Well, I would prefer if you could take this decission before the the
project is opened.

Regards,
        Mario S. Mommer


From root at common-lisp.net  Tue Apr 19 19:48:50 2005
From: root at common-lisp.net (root)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:48:50 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [admin] added cl-smogames; owned by smakinen
Message-ID: <20050419194850.6A12388678@common-lisp.net>

Add successful at 2005.04.19.21.48.


From david at david-steuber.com  Wed Apr 27 19:19:13 2005
From: david at david-steuber.com (David Steuber)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:19:13 -0400
Subject: [admin] A new project called CL-Carbon
Message-ID: <6407dd3dea99c5f176c05f86d1d5c4a9@david-steuber.com>

Hi,

I would like to create a new project called CL-Carbon to be hosted on 
your server.  CL-Carbon is intended to be a CLOS application framework 
that wraps the Carbon APIs for OS X and usable with OpenMCL.  Porting 
to other Lisps may be done as resources allow.  SBCL for example would 
be a nice target when it supports threads and callbacks on OS X.  
CL-Carbon overcomes a current technical limitation on distribution of 
Cocoa based applications using OpenMCL.  Unlike a Cocoa app, a Carbon 
app does not need to be recompiled when the OS is upgraded by a patch 
release via Software Update.  A current application I have available[1] 
has been reported to run under Tiger without recompile.  It was 
developed under Panther and not recompiled since 10.3.8.  I am now 
running 10.3.9.  Another benefit seems to be better application 
performance.  Current Cocoa applications under OpenMCL appear to be 
slow.

CL-Carbon should provide the interested user with a way to build OS X 
applications in Lisp that are lightweight and fast.  By dealing with 
certain boiler plate issues, development should be reasonably quick.  
This is an alternative to Cocoa rather than a replacement.

I am considering the LLGPL license for this project.

[1]	To see a demonstration of CL-Carbon in action, along with the 
current state of the Lisp code, visit:

		http://www.david-steuber.com/Lisp/OSX/Carbon/

	In addition to the article describing Carbon programming in Lisp, 
there is a link to an OS X dmg file that contains both the running 
application and source code.

Thank you for your consideration,

David Steuber.



From mmommer at common-lisp.net  Wed Apr 27 20:15:08 2005
From: mmommer at common-lisp.net (Mario S. Mommer)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:15:08 +0200
Subject: [admin] A new project called CL-Carbon
In-Reply-To: <6407dd3dea99c5f176c05f86d1d5c4a9@david-steuber.com> (David
	Steuber's message of "Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:19:13 -0400")
References: <6407dd3dea99c5f176c05f86d1d5c4a9@david-steuber.com>
Message-ID: <87y8b4rn77.fsf@darkstar.example.net>


Hi,

David Steuber <david at david-steuber.com> writes:
> I would like to create a new project called CL-Carbon to be hosted on
> your server.  CL-Carbon is intended to be a CLOS application framework
> that wraps the Carbon APIs for OS X and usable with OpenMCL.  Porting
> to other Lisps may be done as resources allow.  SBCL for example would
> be a nice target when it supports threads and callbacks on OS X.
> CL-Carbon overcomes a current technical limitation on distribution of
> Cocoa based applications using OpenMCL.  Unlike a Cocoa app, a Carbon
> app does not need to be recompiled when the OS is upgraded by a patch
> release via Software Update.  A current application I have
> available[1] has been reported to run under Tiger without recompile.
> It was developed under Panther and not recompiled since 10.3.8.  I am
> now running 10.3.9.  Another benefit seems to be better application
> performance.  Current Cocoa applications under OpenMCL appear to be
> slow.
>
> CL-Carbon should provide the interested user with a way to build OS X
> applications in Lisp that are lightweight and fast.  By dealing with
> certain boiler plate issues, development should be reasonably quick.
> This is an alternative to Cocoa rather than a replacement.

Looks good!

> I am considering the LLGPL license for this project.

I have to insist you make up your mind first :-)

Regards,

        Mario.


From david at david-steuber.com  Wed Apr 27 21:33:55 2005
From: david at david-steuber.com (David Steuber)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:33:55 -0400
Subject: [admin] A new project called CL-Carbon
In-Reply-To: <87y8b4rn77.fsf@darkstar.example.net>
References: <6407dd3dea99c5f176c05f86d1d5c4a9@david-steuber.com>
	<87y8b4rn77.fsf@darkstar.example.net>
Message-ID: <b52a639206ff194eea6cc08e76e43a90@david-steuber.com>

Hello, hello.

Sorry to top post, but this is just to say that I've chosen to go with 
the MIT license as described here:

http://www.opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.php

It's short and simple.  I think it will do fine.  Conversation about it 
has happened on #lisp.

I also have a couple of people interested in joining in.  How hard is 
it to add people to the project after it is set up?

On Apr 27, 2005, at 4:15 PM, Mario S. Mommer wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> David Steuber <david at david-steuber.com> writes:
>> I would like to create a new project called CL-Carbon to be hosted on
>> your server.  CL-Carbon is intended to be a CLOS application framework
>> that wraps the Carbon APIs for OS X and usable with OpenMCL.  Porting
>> to other Lisps may be done as resources allow.  SBCL for example would
>> be a nice target when it supports threads and callbacks on OS X.
>> CL-Carbon overcomes a current technical limitation on distribution of
>> Cocoa based applications using OpenMCL.  Unlike a Cocoa app, a Carbon
>> app does not need to be recompiled when the OS is upgraded by a patch
>> release via Software Update.  A current application I have
>> available[1] has been reported to run under Tiger without recompile.
>> It was developed under Panther and not recompiled since 10.3.8.  I am
>> now running 10.3.9.  Another benefit seems to be better application
>> performance.  Current Cocoa applications under OpenMCL appear to be
>> slow.
>>
>> CL-Carbon should provide the interested user with a way to build OS X
>> applications in Lisp that are lightweight and fast.  By dealing with
>> certain boiler plate issues, development should be reasonably quick.
>> This is an alternative to Cocoa rather than a replacement.
>
> Looks good!
>
>> I am considering the LLGPL license for this project.
>
> I have to insist you make up your mind first :-)
>
> Regards,
>
>         Mario.
>



From mmommer at common-lisp.net  Thu Apr 28 17:50:01 2005
From: mmommer at common-lisp.net (Mario S. Mommer)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 19:50:01 +0200
Subject: [admin] A new project called CL-Carbon
In-Reply-To: <b52a639206ff194eea6cc08e76e43a90@david-steuber.com> (David
	Steuber's message of "Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:33:55 -0400")
References: <6407dd3dea99c5f176c05f86d1d5c4a9@david-steuber.com>
	<87y8b4rn77.fsf@darkstar.example.net>
	<b52a639206ff194eea6cc08e76e43a90@david-steuber.com>
Message-ID: <87mzri7pva.fsf@darkstar.example.net>


Hi,

David Steuber <david at david-steuber.com> writes:
> This is just to say that I've chosen to go with
> the MIT license as described here:
>
> http://www.opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.php

Ok.

> I also have a couple of people interested in joining in.  How hard is
> it to add people to the project after it is set up?

The procedure is as follows. You tell us to add someone, and then we
add him :-)

Regards,

        Mario.


From root at common-lisp.net  Thu Apr 28 19:18:42 2005
From: root at common-lisp.net (root)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 21:18:42 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [admin] added cl-carbon; owned by dsteuber
Message-ID: <20050428191842.96C1588719@common-lisp.net>

Add successful at 2005.04.28.21.18.