From mb at bese.it Wed Mar 10 20:08:40 2004 From: mb at bese.it (Marco Baringer) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 21:08:40 +0100 Subject: [admin] announcements@common-lisp.net Message-ID: there haven't been any real postings to annoucements at common-lisp.net in a while, but still: i will be away from march 15th to the 21st and my internet access will be flaky at best. If anyone (nikodemus?) wants to check in on the pending requests from time to time that might be a good idea. -- Marco Ring the bells that still can ring. Forget the perfect offering. There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in. -Leonard Cohen From matthieu.villeneuve at free.fr Thu Mar 4 12:51:41 2004 From: matthieu.villeneuve at free.fr (matthieu.villeneuve at free.fr) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 13:51:41 +0100 Subject: [admin] New project Message-ID: <1078404701.4047265d4e0db@imp6-q.free.fr> Hello, I am currently working on a little (but ambitious) networking library, using code I had been writing in the past as well as new code. Since it might be useful to other people, I thought it would be a good idea to have it hosted on common-lisp.net, if the domain administrators agree on the usefulness of such a thing. Here are the details: Project name: unetwork Developer name: Matthieu Villeneuve License: LGPL Description: unetwork is a Common Lisp networking library. Its goal is to work on all CL implementations, and to support: - sockets (UDP, TCP) - address resolution - various protocols (HTTP, SMTP, POP, IMAP, NNTP, IRC,...) Status: Currently, only CMUCL is supported (tested). Support for SBCL is being added. Sockets and name resolution work. Basic operations work for HTTP, SMTP, POP, NNTP. Thanks, -- Matthieu Villeneuve From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de Thu Mar 4 12:54:45 2004 From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer) Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 13:54:45 +0100 Subject: [admin] New project In-Reply-To: <1078404701.4047265d4e0db@imp6-q.free.fr> References: <1078404701.4047265d4e0db@imp6-q.free.fr> Message-ID: matthieu.villeneuve at free.fr writes: > Hello, > > I am currently working on a little (but ambitious) networking > library, using code I had been writing in the past as well as new > code. Since it might be useful to other people, I thought it would > be a good idea to have it hosted on common-lisp.net, if the domain > administrators agree on the usefulness of such a thing. Here are > the details: > > Project name: unetwork > > Developer name: Matthieu Villeneuve > > License: LGPL > > Description: unetwork is a Common Lisp networking library. Its goal > is to work on all CL implementations, and to support: > - sockets (UDP, TCP) > - address resolution > - various protocols (HTTP, SMTP, POP, IMAP, NNTP, IRC,...) > > Status: Currently, only CMUCL is supported (tested). Support for > SBCL is being added. Sockets and name resolution work. Basic > operations work for HTTP, SMTP, POP, NNTP. Cool! /me approves. Regards, Mario. From erik at nittin.net Thu Mar 4 12:58:55 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 07:58:55 -0500 Subject: [admin] New project In-Reply-To: <1078404701.4047265d4e0db@imp6-q.free.fr> References: <1078404701.4047265d4e0db@imp6-q.free.fr> Message-ID: On Mar 4, 2004, at 7:51 AM, matthieu.villeneuve at free.fr wrote: > Project name: unetwork This is great! Approved. Out of curiosity, have you looked at LLGPL? Erik. From tsiivola at cc.hut.fi Thu Mar 4 13:01:53 2004 From: tsiivola at cc.hut.fi (Nikodemus Siivola) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 15:01:53 +0200 (EET) Subject: [admin] New project In-Reply-To: <1078404701.4047265d4e0db@imp6-q.free.fr> References: <1078404701.4047265d4e0db@imp6-q.free.fr> Message-ID: > Project name: unetwork Sounds very good! I approve. However, Have you considered using LLGPL instead of LGPL? http://opensource.franz.com/preamble.html LGPL is ok, but subject to interpretation when used with Lisp due to it's C-centric jargon. For example: is dumping a core static or dynamic linking? What about fasl-loading? Are new methods dispatching on the classes in the library work that uses the library, or work based on the library? Cheers, -- Nikodemus Siivola From matthieu.villeneuve at free.fr Thu Mar 4 13:11:09 2004 From: matthieu.villeneuve at free.fr (matthieu.villeneuve at free.fr) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 14:11:09 +0100 Subject: [admin] New project In-Reply-To: References: <1078404701.4047265d4e0db@imp6-q.free.fr> Message-ID: <1078405869.40472aede70e4@imp6-q.free.fr> Selon Nikodemus Siivola : > > Project name: unetwork > > Sounds very good! I approve. > > However, Have you considered using LLGPL instead of LGPL? > > http://opensource.franz.com/preamble.html > > LGPL is ok, but subject to interpretation when used with Lisp due to it's > C-centric jargon. For example: is dumping a core static or dynamic > linking? What about fasl-loading? Are new methods dispatching on the > classes in the library work that uses the library, or work based on the > library? I agree. I'll change the license to LLGPL. Thanks, -- Matthieu Villeneuve From erik at nittin.net Thu Mar 4 13:16:19 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 08:16:19 -0500 Subject: [admin] New project In-Reply-To: <1078404701.4047265d4e0db@imp6-q.free.fr> References: <1078404701.4047265d4e0db@imp6-q.free.fr> Message-ID: <2005F7B8-6DDE-11D8-B65D-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> On Mar 4, 2004, at 7:51 AM, matthieu.villeneuve at free.fr wrote: > Developer name: Matthieu Villeneuve Can you send me your GPG/PGP public key? Erik. From erik at nittin.net Mon Mar 1 14:32:21 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 09:32:21 -0500 Subject: [admin] cl-ncurses: hosting request In-Reply-To: <20040229171619.664adda1.mramos@montevideo.com.uy> References: <20040229171619.664adda1.mramos@montevideo.com.uy> Message-ID: <401AFD1B-6B8D-11D8-B45E-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> On Feb 29, 2004, at 3:16 PM, Marcelo Ramos wrote: > Requester's name: Marcelo Ramos > Description of project: cl-ncurses is a ncurses interface for Common > Lisp. > Members: Marcelo Ramos and Nikodemus Siivola > Name of project: cl-ncurses > License: MIT/BSD style Approved (in case Niko approves too, send me your PGP/GPG public key). Erik. From m_mommer at yahoo.com Mon Mar 1 07:20:04 2004 From: m_mommer at yahoo.com (Mario S. Mommer) Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 07:20:04 -0000 Subject: [admin] cl-ncurses: hosting request References: Message-ID: Marcelo Ramos writes: > Requester's name: Marcelo Ramos > Description of project: cl-ncurses is a ncurses interface for Common Lisp. > Members: Marcelo Ramos and Nikodemus Siivola > Name of project: cl-ncurses > License: MIT/BSD style I Approve! Regards, Mario. From yrashk at fp.org.ua Mon Mar 1 13:56:59 2004 From: yrashk at fp.org.ua (Yurii A. Rashkovskii) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 15:56:59 +0200 Subject: [admin] Question/proposal Message-ID: <006201c3ff95$211cee60$630a0a0a@kiev.ua.ddlabs.com> I have a question/proposal for common-lisp.net, related to Arch hosting. Could we have one 'special' project that will be used to submit all third-party libraries that aren't in Arch already? In Arch large project could use special configs to fetch other sub-projects or libraries from their own trees. I think, that having all that libraries in one Arch archive could be useful. What do you think? Regards, Yurii. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tsiivola at cc.hut.fi Mon Mar 1 14:15:23 2004 From: tsiivola at cc.hut.fi (Nikodemus Siivola) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 16:15:23 +0200 (EET) Subject: [admin] Question/proposal In-Reply-To: <006201c3ff95$211cee60$630a0a0a@kiev.ua.ddlabs.com> References: <006201c3ff95$211cee60$630a0a0a@kiev.ua.ddlabs.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Mar 2004, Yurii A. Rashkovskii wrote: > Could we have one 'special' project that will be used to submit all > third-party libraries that aren't in Arch already? In Arch large project > could use special configs to fetch other sub-projects or libraries from > their own trees. I think, that having all that libraries in one Arch > archive could be useful. I'm a bit leery of this, but this may be just because dispite multiple attempts I'm still not able to like arch. Anyways, in this case my reasoning goes like this: Projects should generally not track each others raw-bleeding-edge-versions, but rather rely on released versions / snapshots. Also -- more importantly -- if I understand correctly this would essentially require the non-arch projects to also start maintaining an arch repository; this is not going happen. If otoh, the repository were maintained by Arch users, this would be less of an issue, but still sounds like a good opportunity for confusion (Which bleeding edge? The official CVS/Darcs/SVN/Whatever, or the Arch mirror?). Still, on the third hand, if an arch user figures out how to set this up nice and hassle-free, I have no great qualms againt it. Cheers, -- Nikodemus Siivola From bmastenb at cs.indiana.edu Mon Mar 1 14:31:38 2004 From: bmastenb at cs.indiana.edu (Brian Mastenbrook) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 09:31:38 -0500 Subject: [admin] Project request: sexpc Message-ID: <2612E09E-6B8D-11D8-B888-000A9599AF88@cs.indiana.edu> Hello, I'd like to request a project for my sexpc s-expression-to-C translator. Examples of it are at: http://www.common-lisp.net/paste/display/273 and http://www.common-lisp.net/paste/display/280 The license is standard MIT. Brian -- Brian Mastenbrook bmastenb at cs.indiana.edu http://cs.indiana.edu/~bmastenb/ From tsiivola at cc.hut.fi Mon Mar 1 14:34:22 2004 From: tsiivola at cc.hut.fi (Nikodemus Siivola) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 16:34:22 +0200 (EET) Subject: [admin] Project request: sexpc In-Reply-To: <2612E09E-6B8D-11D8-B888-000A9599AF88@cs.indiana.edu> References: <2612E09E-6B8D-11D8-B888-000A9599AF88@cs.indiana.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Mar 2004, Brian Mastenbrook wrote: > I'd like to request a project for my sexpc s-expression-to-C > translator. Examples of it are at: Approved, -- Nikodemus Siivola From erik at nittin.net Mon Mar 1 14:45:29 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 09:45:29 -0500 Subject: [admin] Project request: sexpc In-Reply-To: <2612E09E-6B8D-11D8-B888-000A9599AF88@cs.indiana.edu> References: <2612E09E-6B8D-11D8-B888-000A9599AF88@cs.indiana.edu> Message-ID: <15B4D75C-6B8F-11D8-B45E-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> On Mar 1, 2004, at 9:31 AM, Brian Mastenbrook wrote: > I'd like to request a project for my sexpc s-expression-to-C > translator. Examples of it are at: Ah, relief from syntax hell, very nice. Approved. Erik. From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de Mon Mar 1 14:58:07 2004 From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer) Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 15:58:07 +0100 Subject: [admin] Project request: sexpc In-Reply-To: <2612E09E-6B8D-11D8-B888-000A9599AF88@cs.indiana.edu> References: <2612E09E-6B8D-11D8-B888-000A9599AF88@cs.indiana.edu> Message-ID: Brian Mastenbrook writes: > I'd like to request a project for my sexpc s-expression-to-C > translator. Examples of it are at: > > http://www.common-lisp.net/paste/display/273 > and http://www.common-lisp.net/paste/display/280 Sweet :-). I Approve. Regards, Mario. From root at common-lisp.net Mon Mar 1 14:40:30 2004 From: root at common-lisp.net (root) Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 09:40:30 -0500 Subject: [admin] added cl-ncurses; owned by mramos Message-ID: Add successful at 2004.03.01.09.40. From root at common-lisp.net Mon Mar 1 15:04:12 2004 From: root at common-lisp.net (root) Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 10:04:12 -0500 Subject: [admin] added sexpc; owned by bmastenbrook Message-ID: Add successful at 2004.03.01.10.04. From tsiivola at cc.hut.fi Mon Mar 1 15:47:47 2004 From: tsiivola at cc.hut.fi (Nikodemus Siivola) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 17:47:47 +0200 (EET) Subject: [admin] Project hosting: anaphora Message-ID: I would like to request project hosting for the following: Name: anaphora Description: The Anaphoric Macro Package from Hell. Implements AIF, and other old frieds, plus plenty of new fiends. ASIF being a special favorite: (macroexpand '(asif (foo) (bar it) (quux it))) => (LET ((IT (FOO))) (IF IT (BAR IT) (SYMBOL-MACROLET ((IT (FOO))) (QUUX IT)))) License: Public Domain Project members: Nikodemus Siivola Cheers, -- Nikodemus Siivola From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de Mon Mar 1 15:56:49 2004 From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer) Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 16:56:49 +0100 Subject: [admin] Project hosting: anaphora In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nikodemus Siivola writes: > I would like to request project hosting for the following: > > Name: anaphora > > Description: The Anaphoric Macro Package from Hell. Implements > AIF, and other old frieds, plus plenty of new fiends. ASIF being > a special favorite: > > (macroexpand '(asif (foo) (bar it) (quux it))) > > => > (LET ((IT (FOO))) > (IF IT > (BAR IT) > (SYMBOL-MACROLET ((IT (FOO))) > (QUUX IT)))) > > License: Public Domain > > Project members: Nikodemus Siivola Wicked ;) I approve! Regards, Mario. From erik at nittin.net Mon Mar 1 16:08:53 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 11:08:53 -0500 Subject: [admin] Project hosting: anaphora In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mar 1, 2004, at 10:47 AM, Nikodemus Siivola wrote: > I would like to request project hosting for the following: Approved. Erik. From root at common-lisp.net Mon Mar 1 16:10:03 2004 From: root at common-lisp.net (root) Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 11:10:03 -0500 Subject: [admin] added anaphora; owned by nsiivola Message-ID: Add successful at 2004.03.01.11.10. From lam at tuxfamily.org Mon Mar 1 16:26:48 2004 From: lam at tuxfamily.org (Lam) Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 17:26:48 +0100 Subject: [admin] add developper Message-ID: hello, could you add Marco Baringer to the developper's group of log4cl ? thanks -- Nicolas Lamirault From erik at nittin.net Mon Mar 1 17:55:27 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 12:55:27 -0500 Subject: [admin] add developper In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9F274120-6BA9-11D8-B45E-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> On Mar 1, 2004, at 11:26 AM, Lam wrote: > could you add Marco Baringer to the developper's group of log4cl ? Done. Erik. From mikel at evins.net Mon Mar 1 16:46:53 2004 From: mikel at evins.net (mikel evins) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 08:46:53 -0800 Subject: [admin] admin request for clotho: add a project member Message-ID: <0B042EC6-6BA0-11D8-B232-000A958E5B06@evins.net> Hi, If you could, would you please add Paul Lathrop (plathrop at nmu.edu) as a member of the clotho project, with cvs commit privileges? Thanks! --me From erik at nittin.net Mon Mar 1 17:56:56 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 12:56:56 -0500 Subject: [admin] admin request for clotho: add a project member In-Reply-To: <0B042EC6-6BA0-11D8-B232-000A958E5B06@evins.net> References: <0B042EC6-6BA0-11D8-B232-000A958E5B06@evins.net> Message-ID: On Mar 1, 2004, at 11:46 AM, mikel evins wrote: > If you could, would you please add Paul Lathrop (plathrop at nmu.edu) as > a member of the clotho project, with cvs commit privileges? Done. He'll have to send me his PGP/GPG public key to get his password. Erik. From mikel at evins.net Mon Mar 1 18:09:23 2004 From: mikel at evins.net (mikel evins) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 10:09:23 -0800 Subject: [admin] admin request for clotho: add a project member In-Reply-To: References: <0B042EC6-6BA0-11D8-B232-000A958E5B06@evins.net> Message-ID: <91C4CBDE-6BAB-11D8-B232-000A958E5B06@evins.net> On Mar 1, 2004, at 9:56 AM, Erik Enge wrote: > > On Mar 1, 2004, at 11:46 AM, mikel evins wrote: > >> If you could, would you please add Paul Lathrop (plathrop at nmu.edu) as >> a member of the clotho project, with cvs commit privileges? > > Done. He'll have to send me his PGP/GPG public key to get his > password. > > Erik. > > Thanks! From emarsden at laas.fr Tue Mar 2 16:24:05 2004 From: emarsden at laas.fr (Eric Marsden) Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 17:24:05 +0100 Subject: [admin] request for creation of "pg" project Message-ID: Hi, I would be delighted if you could create a project named "pg", to host the pg-dot-lisp interface to PostgreSQL. This is distributed under GNU LGPL. Please include Peter Van Eynde as a group member (I don't know whether he already has a cl.net account.) Thanks! -- Eric Marsden From erik at nittin.net Tue Mar 2 16:30:42 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 11:30:42 -0500 Subject: [admin] request for creation of "pg" project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mar 2, 2004, at 11:24 AM, Eric Marsden wrote: > I would be delighted if you could create a project named "pg", to host > the pg-dot-lisp interface to PostgreSQL. This is distributed under GNU > LGPL. Please include Peter Van Eynde as a group > member (I don't know whether he already has a cl.net account.) Approved! I'll need Peter's GPG/PGP public key. Erik. From pvaneynd at debian.org Wed Mar 3 08:52:49 2004 From: pvaneynd at debian.org (Peter Van Eynde) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 09:52:49 +0100 Subject: [admin] request for creation of "pg" project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040303085249.GB10921@skynet.be> On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 11:30:42AM -0500, Erik Enge wrote: > > On Mar 2, 2004, at 11:24 AM, Eric Marsden wrote: > > >I would be delighted if you could create a project named "pg", to host > >the pg-dot-lisp interface to PostgreSQL. This is distributed under GNU > >LGPL. Please include Peter Van Eynde as a group > >member (I don't know whether he already has a cl.net account.) > > Approved! Thanks! > I'll need Peter's GPG/PGP public key. Attached. Groetjes, Peter -- It's logic Jim, but not as we know it. | pvaneynd at debian.org "God, root, what is difference?" - Pitr| http://people.debian.org/~pvaneynd/ "God is more forgiving." - Dave Aronson| -------------- next part -------------- -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) mQGiBDfYMpIRBADBquT/YVwU+5VNEjnyU7RATbjgm5zg8ObQl0vHDeUxRqXvJodi DaDAdBt9AwyAUFU8MlZqpeFfy9qH2PW43SMVYh6daZaSqtyduEIkqj7MIB4boHmo lT+IzngXVNco6Gp32pen3gMD1Qz63/LFZKlB/B/yQMY2YLFExbNE9WJgLwCgzo/4 fdRnyDzODnQHw3N3AP8hsC0D/0GfOb3S0Vlg9QKA3/ix0HLs0iCuN9zdGYIoBP9/ iPMoj7cZVCxb8q7ycjGeSJT0Di5bvCDblekYyP2NKSdc5GJCtV0KKL/anEQmVjYt vLjUEL4zBkJj6vq9xi0MDnHZOPNvHbv6CbUc+/VA02LTxPBfd3rJKLd3Plt8Pr6O 66uABAC41i54ljAUsvolsd/onPFb42J7m2gnDpCxO4ELFcC1YRiW0vnEBB7IEWVO P/2KPWHXL6z9GklYnylnZ3j5SOWdGWA72LdUpqt2MEiBTthTV2dJj9ZN1vwwEj+0 NhRKoKRm2NN8rNaDeVcdM/J3XfIsOyuJ3C2h80QJxBEW51d5B7YAAAAlUGV0ZXIg VmFuIEV5bmRlIDxwdmFuZXluZEBkZWJpYW4ub3JnPohbBBARAgAbAh4BAhkBBQJA 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cc.hut.fi (Nikodemus Siivola) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 18:33:48 +0200 (EET) Subject: [admin] request for creation of "pg" project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Eric Marsden wrote: > I would be delighted if you could create a project named "pg", to host > the pg-dot-lisp interface to PostgreSQL. This is distributed under GNU > LGPL. Please include Peter Van Eynde as a group > member (I don't know whether he already has a cl.net account.) Approved, -- Nikodemus Siivola From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de Tue Mar 2 17:06:21 2004 From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer) Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 18:06:21 +0100 Subject: [admin] request for creation of "pg" project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Eric Marsden writes: > I would be delighted if you could create a project named "pg", to host > the pg-dot-lisp interface to PostgreSQL. This is distributed under GNU > LGPL. Please include Peter Van Eynde as a group > member (I don't know whether he already has a cl.net account.) Approved! Reagrds, Mario. From root at common-lisp.net Tue Mar 2 20:29:49 2004 From: root at common-lisp.net (root) Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 15:29:49 -0500 Subject: [admin] added pg; owned by emarsden Message-ID: Add successful at 2004.03.02.15.29. From erik at nittin.net Tue Mar 2 20:36:48 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 15:36:48 -0500 Subject: [admin] Volunteer for taxonomy. Message-ID: <544AF8C2-6C89-11D8-B45E-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> I'd like us to group the projects we list on projects.shtml into groups (let's keep the number of groups low to begin with: database, graphics, utility, network, I don't know). In addition it would be nice to add a oneliner description for each project, like: Database pg - PostgreSQL interface over tcp/ip, no libraries needed. Or somesuch. However, just keeping up with adding projects and debugging various problems with email, anon cvs etc that shows up every now and then keeps me as busy as I want to be. Do we have a volunteer? Erik. From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de Wed Mar 3 20:07:53 2004 From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer) Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 21:07:53 +0100 Subject: [admin] Volunteer for taxonomy. In-Reply-To: <544AF8C2-6C89-11D8-B45E-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> References: <544AF8C2-6C89-11D8-B45E-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> Message-ID: Erik Enge writes: > I'd like us to group the projects we list on projects.shtml into > groups (let's keep the number of groups low to begin with: database, > graphics, utility, network, I don't know). In addition it would be > nice to add a oneliner description for each project, like: > > Database > > pg - PostgreSQL interface over tcp/ip, no libraries needed. > > Or somesuch. > > However, just keeping up with adding projects and debugging various > problems with email, anon cvs etc that shows up every now and then > keeps me as busy as I want to be. Do we have a volunteer? Well, I can do it, but it will be next week. How about the following categories. Database Graphics Network System Web-programming Text processing (regex, defdoc, cl-typesetting) Games (there was a MUD engine, right?) Extensions Interfacing ...? Regards, Mario. From erik at nittin.net Wed Mar 3 20:13:35 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 15:13:35 -0500 Subject: [admin] Volunteer for taxonomy. In-Reply-To: References: <544AF8C2-6C89-11D8-B45E-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> Message-ID: <4003D470-6D4F-11D8-B45E-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> On Mar 3, 2004, at 3:07 PM, Mario Mommer wrote: > Well, I can do it, but it will be next week. That's fine, there's no rush. Thanks! > How about the following categories. That looks like a good set to start off with. Erik. From tsiivola at cc.hut.fi Wed Mar 3 23:05:17 2004 From: tsiivola at cc.hut.fi (Nikodemus Siivola) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 01:05:17 +0200 (EET) Subject: [admin] Volunteer for taxonomy. In-Reply-To: References: <544AF8C2-6C89-11D8-B45E-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, Mario Mommer wrote: > Well, I can do it, but it will be next week. How about the following > categories. Goodiegood. A couple of random thoughs: > System Stuff like asdf/defsystem, or stuff like osicat? > Extensions > > Interfacing These two also make me wonder what they mean. Is extensions essentially portable CL extensions to CL, and Interfacing CL interfaces to foreign libraries? One (probably _bad_) higly alternative idea would be to use "category" like labels only as keywords, and make the taxonomy "less boring". Like: Eye Candy Kludges Heute die Welt! Lith^H^Hsp Morgen das Sonnensystem Bits and Pieces Reinventing The Wheel Not Invented Here Just blathering, -- Nikodemus From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de Thu Mar 4 14:23:20 2004 From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer) Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 15:23:20 +0100 Subject: [admin] Volunteer for taxonomy. In-Reply-To: References: <544AF8C2-6C89-11D8-B45E-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> Message-ID: Nikodemus Siivola writes: > On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, Mario Mommer wrote: > > > Well, I can do it, but it will be next week. How about the following > > categories. > > Goodiegood. A couple of random thoughs: > > > System > > Stuff like asdf/defsystem, or stuff like osicat? Yep, osicat. > > Extensions > > > > Interfacing > > These two also make me wonder what they mean. Is extensions essentially > portable CL extensions to CL, Yes, like your anaphoric macro package > and Interfacing CL interfaces to foreign > libraries? yes, + file formats, like the binary file format package by Andreas Fuchs. One wonders if XML tools go here. My list of categories does not cover slime and the NYLispniks CD. Just one category "IDE"? Where do we put Brians C to Lisp translator? > One (probably _bad_) higly alternative idea would be to use "category" > like labels only as keywords, and make the taxonomy "less boring". [snip] :-) The problem with this is that this becomes less funny with time, and people will find it not very usefull. Google et al are also locked out. When was the last time you where looking for some kludge to load down? Regards, Mario. From erik at nittin.net Thu Mar 4 14:48:15 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 09:48:15 -0500 Subject: [admin] Volunteer for taxonomy. In-Reply-To: References: <544AF8C2-6C89-11D8-B45E-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> Message-ID: On Mar 4, 2004, at 9:23 AM, Mario Mommer wrote: > My list of categories does not cover slime and the NYLispniks CD. Just > one category "IDE"? IDE for slime but NYLispnisk CD doesn't really fit into any category. So: > Where do we put Brians C to Lisp translator? How about a "miscellaneous" category for stuff we are unable to categorize until we have more of them to warrant their own category. Erik. From tsiivola at cc.hut.fi Wed Mar 3 22:55:50 2004 From: tsiivola at cc.hut.fi (Nikodemus Siivola) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 00:55:50 +0200 (EET) Subject: [admin] Volunteer for taxonomy. In-Reply-To: <544AF8C2-6C89-11D8-B45E-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> References: <544AF8C2-6C89-11D8-B45E-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Erik Enge wrote: > I'd like us to group the projects we list on projects.shtml into groups > (let's keep the number of groups low to begin with: database, graphics, > utility, network, I don't know). In addition it would be nice to add a > oneliner description for each project, Sounds like a good idea. However, I think this might work best if we allow projects to categorize themselves. Start with a small number of categories, adding more when requested. > However, just keeping up with adding projects and debugging various > problems with email, anon cvs etc that shows up every now and then keeps > me as busy as I want to be. Do we have a volunteer? Now that my connectivity is restored, I can do more "stuff", so whenever you're too busy and it's someting I can manage, feel free to give me a nudge. But I'd hesistate to commitmy self to either writing an engine that the users could use to manage the raxonomy, or maintaining it by hand. Sigh. So many things to do, so little time. However, to end on a positive note, how about adding /project/foo/config.sexp Looking like so: ((:long-name "Project Thingmajik") (:owner "Mr. King") (:short-description "Project to do stuff.") (:long-description "This project is very ambitious and will do lot's of stuff. However, I'm very busy and won't be able to do any of it, so volunteers are NEEDED!") (:categories "System" "Help Wanted" "Tomorrow The Solar System" "Ping Pong")) Even if we do nothing with it right now, it still would be neat. ;-) And people could maintain those themselves (by hand) until someone hacks up a webinterface. Cheers, -- Nikodemus Siivola From peter at javamonkey.com Mon Mar 8 19:23:15 2004 From: peter at javamonkey.com (Peter Seibel) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 11:23:15 -0800 Subject: [admin] Volunteer for taxonomy. References: <544AF8C2-6C89-11D8-B45E-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> Message-ID: Nikodemus Siivola writes: > On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Erik Enge wrote: > >> I'd like us to group the projects we list on projects.shtml into groups >> (let's keep the number of groups low to begin with: database, graphics, >> utility, network, I don't know). In addition it would be nice to add a >> oneliner description for each project, > > Sounds like a good idea. > > However, I think this might work best if we allow projects to categorize > themselves. Start with a small number of categories, adding more when > requested. > >> However, just keeping up with adding projects and debugging various >> problems with email, anon cvs etc that shows up every now and then keeps >> me as busy as I want to be. Do we have a volunteer? > > Now that my connectivity is restored, I can do more "stuff", so whenever > you're too busy and it's someting I can manage, feel free to give me a > nudge. But I'd hesistate to commitmy self to either writing an engine that > the users could use to manage the raxonomy, or maintaining it by hand. > > Sigh. So many things to do, so little time. > > However, to end on a positive note, how about adding > > /project/foo/config.sexp > > Looking like so: > > ((:long-name "Project Thingmajik") > (:owner "Mr. King") > (:short-description "Project to do stuff.") > (:long-description "This project is very ambitious and will do lot's > of stuff. However, I'm very busy and won't be > able to do any of it, so volunteers are NEEDED!") > (:categories "System" "Help Wanted" "Tomorrow The Solar System" > "Ping Pong")) > > Even if we do nothing with it right now, it still would be neat. ;-) > And people could maintain those themselves (by hand) until someone > hacks up a webinterface. I while back a handful of Bay Area Lispniks started working on a website that was intended to be a directory of Lisp libraries (L3, the Lisp Library List). We ran out of steam (or the project is on hold depending on how charitable you want to be). Anyway, came up with a few good bits including some stuff similar to what you just mentioned. Feel free to take a look at the following url's and make whatever use of what's there. I may even be able to help out a bit as I think this is would be an important addition to what common-lisp.net is already offering. Though I'm pretty busy these days so don't want to promise too much. Anyway here are some of the good bits: -- Code for generating and managing entries in a sexp database of meta information about library. Data driven the basic model of what information we are storing is easily visible. -- A sexp database of a few libraries. Each DEFLIB form is similar to what you envisioned above. Our idea was to extract these from the library itself, either from a separate config.sexp file or from the .asd file itself. -- Some code that extracts as much information as possible from an ASD file in order to build a DEFLIB. -- Some code for generating HTML from the sexp database. Uses templates that can be found in . The resulting HTML (essentially mockups) are at: -Peter -- Peter Seibel peter at javamonkey.com Lisp is the red pill. -- John Fraser, comp.lang.lisp From erik at nittin.net Mon Mar 8 20:26:20 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 15:26:20 -0500 Subject: [admin] Volunteer for taxonomy. In-Reply-To: References: <544AF8C2-6C89-11D8-B45E-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> Message-ID: On Mar 8, 2004, at 2:23 PM, Peter Seibel wrote: > I while back a handful of Bay Area Lispniks started working on a > website that was intended to be a directory of Lisp libraries (L3, the > Lisp Library List). This is good stuff. I wanted to something similar and figure a static grouping in webpages would be an acceptable babystep towards that. With L3 we can go there directly. Mario, think we can just use this? Erik. From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de Wed Mar 10 16:21:40 2004 From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 17:21:40 +0100 Subject: [admin] Volunteer for taxonomy. In-Reply-To: References: <544AF8C2-6C89-11D8-B45E-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> Message-ID: Erik Enge writes: > On Mar 8, 2004, at 2:23 PM, Peter Seibel wrote: > > > I while back a handful of Bay Area Lispniks started working on a > > website that was intended to be a directory of Lisp libraries (L3, the > > Lisp Library List). > > This is good stuff. I wanted to something similar and figure a static > grouping in webpages would be an acceptable babystep towards > that. With L3 we can go there directly. Mario, think we can just use > this? We can, but note that the above is actually somewhat orthogonal to our concerns, which for the moment are to write a little catalog. I presume that one can do that in this way, but that would require some hacking. I'll go now for the simple catalog we had planned in the beginning. We will, however, need some automatization for this in the future. Regards, Mario. From peter at javamonkey.com Sat Mar 13 17:24:29 2004 From: peter at javamonkey.com (Peter Seibel) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 09:24:29 -0800 Subject: [admin] Volunteer for taxonomy. In-Reply-To: (Mario Mommer's message of "Wed, 10 Mar 2004 17:21:40 +0100") References: <544AF8C2-6C89-11D8-B45E-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> Message-ID: Mario Mommer writes: > Erik Enge writes: >> On Mar 8, 2004, at 2:23 PM, Peter Seibel wrote: >> >> > I while back a handful of Bay Area Lispniks started working on a >> > website that was intended to be a directory of Lisp libraries (L3, the >> > Lisp Library List). >> >> This is good stuff. I wanted to something similar and figure a static >> grouping in webpages would be an acceptable babystep towards >> that. With L3 we can go there directly. Mario, think we can just use >> this? > > We can, but note that the above is actually somewhat orthogonal to > our concerns, which for the moment are to write a little catalog. I > presume that one can do that in this way, but that would require > some hacking. > > I'll go now for the simple catalog we had planned in the beginning. > We will, however, need some automatization for this in the future. Have you begun work on that catalog? If you have anything at all, maybe I can look at it and see if I can fit it into the L3 framework (adapting my code as necessary to generate whatever output you want.) -Peter -- Peter Seibel peter at javamonkey.com Lisp is the red pill. -- John Fraser, comp.lang.lisp From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de Sat Mar 13 18:32:08 2004 From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 19:32:08 +0100 Subject: [admin] Volunteer for taxonomy. In-Reply-To: References: <544AF8C2-6C89-11D8-B45E-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> Message-ID: Peter Seibel writes: > Mario Mommer writes: > > We can, but note that the above is actually somewhat orthogonal to > > our concerns, which for the moment are to write a little catalog. I > > presume that one can do that in this way, but that would require > > some hacking. > > > > I'll go now for the simple catalog we had planned in the beginning. > > We will, however, need some automatization for this in the future. > > Have you begun work on that catalog? If you have anything at all, > maybe I can look at it and see if I can fit it into the L3 framework > (adapting my code as necessary to generate whatever output you want.) Here is what I have until now as an attachment. There is also a bit of discussion here http://www.common-lisp.net/macho-archives/clo-devel/2004-3/213.html Regards, and thanks! Mario. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: taxonomy-001.tgz Type: application/x-gtar Size: 3261 bytes Desc: not available URL: From peter at javamonkey.com Sat Mar 13 21:11:47 2004 From: peter at javamonkey.com (Peter Seibel) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 13:11:47 -0800 Subject: [admin] Volunteer for taxonomy. In-Reply-To: (Mario Mommer's message of "Sat, 13 Mar 2004 19:32:08 +0100") References: <544AF8C2-6C89-11D8-B45E-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> Message-ID: Mario Mommer writes: > Peter Seibel writes: >> Mario Mommer writes: >> > We can, but note that the above is actually somewhat orthogonal to >> > our concerns, which for the moment are to write a little catalog. I >> > presume that one can do that in this way, but that would require >> > some hacking. >> > >> > I'll go now for the simple catalog we had planned in the beginning. >> > We will, however, need some automatization for this in the future. >> >> Have you begun work on that catalog? If you have anything at all, >> maybe I can look at it and see if I can fit it into the L3 framework >> (adapting my code as necessary to generate whatever output you want.) > > Here is what I have until now as an attachment. There is also a bit of > discussion here > > http://www.common-lisp.net/macho-archives/clo-devel/2004-3/213.html > > Regards, and thanks! Is this being run yet--the Projects doesn't look like it's using this. Since you went ahead and used a sexp database + HTML generation, what do you see as the next step? -Peter -- Peter Seibel peter at javamonkey.com Lisp is the red pill. -- John Fraser, comp.lang.lisp From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de Mon Mar 15 13:28:06 2004 From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:28:06 +0100 Subject: [admin] Volunteer for taxonomy. In-Reply-To: References: <544AF8C2-6C89-11D8-B45E-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> Message-ID: Peter Seibel writes: > Mario Mommer writes: > > > Peter Seibel writes: > >> Have you begun work on that catalog? If you have anything at all, > >> maybe I can look at it and see if I can fit it into the L3 framework > >> (adapting my code as necessary to generate whatever output you want.) > > > > Here is what I have until now as an attachment. There is also a bit of > > discussion here > > > > http://www.common-lisp.net/macho-archives/clo-devel/2004-3/213.html > > > > Regards, and thanks! > > Is this being run yet--the Projects doesn't look like it's using this. > Since you went ahead and used a sexp database + HTML generation, what > do you see as the next step? Well, the next step is to render it into cl-net-stylish html. The current code was kept basic exatly because I didn't know what the step after that next step might be :-) I suspect that it will be * Integrating the safe READ routine by Nikodemus. * Writing the code that will do the automatic generation each 24h. If you have sugestions/ideas, just bring 'em on! Regards, Mario. From root at common-lisp.net Tue Mar 2 20:43:53 2004 From: root at common-lisp.net (root) Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 15:43:53 -0500 Subject: [admin] added ganelon; owned by tlipski Message-ID: Add successful at 2004.03.02.15.43. From root at common-lisp.net Thu Mar 4 13:18:55 2004 From: root at common-lisp.net (root) Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 08:18:55 -0500 Subject: [admin] added unetwork; owned by mvilleneuve Message-ID: Add successful at 2004.03.04.08.18. From emarsden at laas.fr Thu Mar 4 17:02:15 2004 From: emarsden at laas.fr (Eric Marsden) Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 18:02:15 +0100 Subject: [admin] request for creation of lispfaq project Message-ID: Hi, I would like to request the creation of a "lispfaq" project, in order to host an attempted revival of the cll FAQ, starting from the contents of Christophe Rhodes' cclan "faq" module. These are SGML documents with a DSSSL stylesheet. The licence on these documents is not very clear, but I guess a Creative Commons with-attribution license would be ok. Please include Christophe as a group member. Thanks, -- Eric Marsden From tsiivola at cc.hut.fi Thu Mar 4 17:13:48 2004 From: tsiivola at cc.hut.fi (Nikodemus Siivola) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 19:13:48 +0200 (EET) Subject: [admin] request for creation of lispfaq project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Eric Marsden wrote: > I would like to request the creation of a "lispfaq" project, in order > to host an attempted revival of the cll FAQ, starting from the > contents of Christophe Rhodes' cclan "faq" module. These are SGML > documents with a DSSSL stylesheet. The licence on these documents is > not very clear, but I guess a Creative Commons with-attribution > license would be ok. > > Please include Christophe as a group member. Approved, -- Nikodemus Siivola From erik at nittin.net Thu Mar 4 22:54:21 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 17:54:21 -0500 Subject: [admin] request for creation of lispfaq project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mar 4, 2004, at 12:02 PM, Eric Marsden wrote: > I would like to request the creation of a "lispfaq" project, in order > to host an attempted revival of the cll FAQ, starting from the > contents of Christophe Rhodes' cclan "faq" module. Approved. Erik. From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de Fri Mar 5 08:52:49 2004 From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer) Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 09:52:49 +0100 Subject: [admin] request for creation of lispfaq project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Eric Marsden writes: > Hi, > > I would like to request the creation of a "lispfaq" project, in order > to host an attempted revival of the cll FAQ, starting from the > contents of Christophe Rhodes' cclan "faq" module. These are SGML > documents with a DSSSL stylesheet. The licence on these documents is > not very clear, but I guess a Creative Commons with-attribution > license would be ok. Approved! Regards, Mario. From mb at bese.it Fri Mar 5 14:45:52 2004 From: mb at bese.it (Marco Baringer) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 15:45:52 +0100 Subject: [admin] ucw mailing lists Message-ID: hi, could the nntp groups local.ucw.devel, local.ucw.cvs and local.ucw.announce be removed from the nntp server? -- Marco Ring the bells that still can ring. Forget the perfect offering. There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in. -Leonard Cohen From erik at nittin.net Fri Mar 5 15:07:55 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 10:07:55 -0500 Subject: [admin] ucw mailing lists In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mar 5, 2004, at 9:45 AM, Marco Baringer wrote: > could the nntp groups local.ucw.devel, local.ucw.cvs and > local.ucw.announce be removed from the nntp server? Done. I also removed the NNTP gateway information from mailman for those lists. Erik. From root at common-lisp.net Fri Mar 5 15:02:31 2004 From: root at common-lisp.net (root) Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 10:02:31 -0500 Subject: [admin] added lispfaq; owned by emarsden Message-ID: Add successful at 2004.03.05.10.02. From rjain at common-lisp.net Sat Mar 6 19:14:48 2004 From: rjain at common-lisp.net (Rahul Jain) Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 14:14:48 -0500 Subject: [admin] request for rjain-utils project Message-ID: <874qt1dbyv.fsf@nyct.net> Greetings gracious cl.net admins, I'd like to create an rjain-utils project where I can put my libraries, such as specified-types, tables, protocols, CLIM generic-commands, etc. Also, I'm thinking of creating a subclass of defdoc's contrib "project-website" specialized for creating a cl.net-specific style of page. Do you have any standards you'd like to be followed as far as colors, CSS, layout, etc? Thanks! -- Rahul Jain rjain at nyct.net Professional Software Developer, Amateur Quantum Mechanicist From erik at nittin.net Sun Mar 7 01:40:18 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 20:40:18 -0500 Subject: [admin] request for rjain-utils project In-Reply-To: <874qt1dbyv.fsf@nyct.net> References: <874qt1dbyv.fsf@nyct.net> Message-ID: <63F4CC06-6FD8-11D8-8CC6-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> On Mar 6, 2004, at 2:14 PM, Rahul Jain wrote: > I'd like to create an rjain-utils project where I can put my libraries, > such as specified-types, tables, protocols, CLIM generic-commands, etc. Greetings! What license will this software be covered by? > Also, I'm thinking of creating a subclass of defdoc's contrib > "project-website" specialized for creating a cl.net-specific style of > page. Do you have any standards you'd like to be followed as far as > colors, CSS, layout, etc? Not that I'm aware of. Erik. From rjain at nyct.net Sun Mar 7 09:30:50 2004 From: rjain at nyct.net (Rahul Jain) Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 04:30:50 -0500 Subject: [admin] request for rjain-utils project In-Reply-To: <63F4CC06-6FD8-11D8-8CC6-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> (Erik Enge's message of "Sat, 6 Mar 2004 20:40:18 -0500") References: <874qt1dbyv.fsf@nyct.net> <63F4CC06-6FD8-11D8-8CC6-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> Message-ID: <87n06tknqt.fsf@nyct.net> Erik Enge writes: > On Mar 6, 2004, at 2:14 PM, Rahul Jain wrote: > >> I'd like to create an rjain-utils project where I can put my libraries, >> such as specified-types, tables, protocols, CLIM generic-commands, etc. > > Greetings! > > What license will this software be covered by? Mostly MIT license. Some of it may have different licenses on a case-by-case basis, but that will be rare. >> Also, I'm thinking of creating a subclass of defdoc's contrib >> "project-website" specialized for creating a cl.net-specific style of >> page. Do you have any standards you'd like to be followed as far as >> colors, CSS, layout, etc? > > Not that I'm aware of. OK. If you decide on any, let me know. :) -- Rahul Jain rjain at nyct.net Professional Software Developer, Amateur Quantum Mechanicist From erik at nittin.net Mon Mar 8 00:03:01 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 19:03:01 -0500 Subject: [admin] request for rjain-utils project In-Reply-To: <87n06tknqt.fsf@nyct.net> References: <874qt1dbyv.fsf@nyct.net> <63F4CC06-6FD8-11D8-8CC6-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> <87n06tknqt.fsf@nyct.net> Message-ID: On Mar 7, 2004, at 4:30 AM, Rahul Jain wrote: > Mostly MIT license. Some of it may have different licenses on a > case-by-case basis, but that will be rare. As long as it is not more restrictive than the GPL (though LLGPL is preferred) I guess it would be ok. Erik. From rjain at nyct.net Mon Mar 8 00:05:03 2004 From: rjain at nyct.net (Rahul Jain) Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 19:05:03 -0500 Subject: [admin] request for rjain-utils project In-Reply-To: (Erik Enge's message of "Sun, 7 Mar 2004 19:03:01 -0500") References: <874qt1dbyv.fsf@nyct.net> <63F4CC06-6FD8-11D8-8CC6-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> <87n06tknqt.fsf@nyct.net> Message-ID: <87eks4kxu8.fsf@nyct.net> Erik Enge writes: > On Mar 7, 2004, at 4:30 AM, Rahul Jain wrote: > >> Mostly MIT license. Some of it may have different licenses on a >> case-by-case basis, but that will be rare. > > As long as it is not more restrictive than the GPL (though LLGPL is > preferred) > I guess it would be ok. Yes, of course. :) -- Rahul Jain rjain at nyct.net Professional Software Developer, Amateur Quantum Mechanicist From tsiivola at cc.hut.fi Mon Mar 8 06:32:36 2004 From: tsiivola at cc.hut.fi (Nikodemus Siivola) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 08:32:36 +0200 (EET) Subject: [admin] request for rjain-utils project In-Reply-To: References: <874qt1dbyv.fsf@nyct.net> <63F4CC06-6FD8-11D8-8CC6-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> <87n06tknqt.fsf@nyct.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 7 Mar 2004, Erik Enge wrote: > > Mostly MIT license. Some of it may have different licenses on a > > case-by-case basis, but that will be rare. > > As long as it is not more restrictive than the GPL (though LLGPL is > preferred) > I guess it would be ok. Same here. As long as they're DSFG-free. Cheers, -- Nikodemus From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de Tue Mar 9 16:08:17 2004 From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer) Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 17:08:17 +0100 Subject: [admin] request for rjain-utils project In-Reply-To: References: <874qt1dbyv.fsf@nyct.net> <63F4CC06-6FD8-11D8-8CC6-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> <87n06tknqt.fsf@nyct.net> Message-ID: Nikodemus Siivola writes: > On Sun, 7 Mar 2004, Erik Enge wrote: > > > > Mostly MIT license. Some of it may have different licenses on a > > > case-by-case basis, but that will be rare. > > > > As long as it is not more restrictive than the GPL (though LLGPL is > > preferred) > > I guess it would be ok. > > Same here. As long as they're DSFG-free. Idem, I approve. Regards, Mario. From matthieu.villeneuve at free.fr Mon Mar 8 12:05:06 2004 From: matthieu.villeneuve at free.fr (matthieu.villeneuve at free.fr) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 13:05:06 +0100 Subject: [admin] New project - image Message-ID: <1078747506.404c617248ea8@imp6-q.free.fr> Hello, Some people would be interested in working on a library for image manipulation, based on some code Robert Strandh wrote a few years ago. We think it would be nice to have that project hosted on common-lisp.net. Here are the details: Project name: image Developer names: Robert Strandh Arnaud Rouanet Matthieu Villeneuve License: LGPL or LLGPL Description: image is a Common Lisp image manipulation library. Its goal is to allow handling images in various formats (grey, RGB, YUV, indexed, etc.), loading/saving using various file formats (PNM, PNG, etc.), and operations on images. Status: Data structures exist for most image formats. Loading/saving works for PNM formats. Thanks, -- Matthieu Villeneuve From erik at nittin.net Mon Mar 8 12:15:18 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 07:15:18 -0500 Subject: [admin] New project - image In-Reply-To: <1078747506.404c617248ea8@imp6-q.free.fr> References: <1078747506.404c617248ea8@imp6-q.free.fr> Message-ID: <43A07125-70FA-11D8-8CC6-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> On Mar 8, 2004, at 7:05 AM, matthieu.villeneuve at free.fr wrote: > Project name: image > Approved. > Developer names: Robert Strandh > Arnaud Rouanet > Matthieu Villeneuve > I will need Arnaud's email address and GPG/PGP public key. Erik. From tsiivola at cc.hut.fi Mon Mar 8 17:48:21 2004 From: tsiivola at cc.hut.fi (Nikodemus Siivola) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 19:48:21 +0200 (EET) Subject: [admin] New project - image In-Reply-To: <1078747506.404c617248ea8@imp6-q.free.fr> References: <1078747506.404c617248ea8@imp6-q.free.fr> Message-ID: > Project name: image > > Developer names: Robert Strandh > Arnaud Rouanet > Matthieu Villeneuve > > License: LGPL or LLGPL This sounds very good! Approved, -- Nikodemus Siivola From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de Mon Mar 8 20:55:05 2004 From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 21:55:05 +0100 Subject: [admin] New project - image In-Reply-To: <1078747506.404c617248ea8@imp6-q.free.fr> References: <1078747506.404c617248ea8@imp6-q.free.fr> Message-ID: matthieu.villeneuve at free.fr writes: > Hello, > > Some people would be interested in working on a library for image > manipulation, based on some code Robert Strandh wrote a few years ago. > We think it would be nice to have that project hosted on common-lisp.net. > Here are the details: > > Developer names: Robert Strandh > Arnaud Rouanet > Matthieu Villeneuve > > License: LGPL or LLGPL > > Description: image is a Common Lisp image manipulation library. > Its goal is to allow handling images in various formats (grey, RGB, > YUV, indexed, etc.), loading/saving using various file formats (PNM, > PNG, etc.), and operations on images. > > Status: Data structures exist for most image formats. Loading/saving > works for PNM formats. Sounds very good! Approved, although... > Project name: image ...i would like to ask you to think about it again. "image" is perhaps too canonical as a name. After all, it is not an image, but a library to manipulate images. IMHO, anyway. Regards, Mario From matthieu.villeneuve at free.fr Tue Mar 9 10:42:56 2004 From: matthieu.villeneuve at free.fr (matthieu.villeneuve at free.fr) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 11:42:56 +0100 Subject: [admin] New project - image In-Reply-To: References: <1078747506.404c617248ea8@imp6-q.free.fr> Message-ID: <1078828976.404d9fb0addcb@imp6-q.free.fr> Selon Mario Mommer : > Approved, although... > > > Project name: image > > ...i would like to ask you to think about it again. "image" is perhaps > too canonical as a name. After all, it is not an image, but a library > to manipulate images. > > IMHO, anyway. Ok. I thought of the library as a kind of "canonical" one (hoping that it becomes a de facto standard for image manipulation, with lots of contributors and users), but that may seem too ambitious. I had a hard time thinking about an alternate name, Nikodemus suggested "imago" on #lisp, and I like it. Would that be valid? Thanks, -- Matthieu Villeneuve From erik at nittin.net Tue Mar 9 12:58:16 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 07:58:16 -0500 Subject: [admin] New project - image In-Reply-To: <1078828976.404d9fb0addcb@imp6-q.free.fr> References: <1078747506.404c617248ea8@imp6-q.free.fr> <1078828976.404d9fb0addcb@imp6-q.free.fr> Message-ID: <6ECAAC58-71C9-11D8-BE33-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> On Mar 9, 2004, at 5:42 AM, matthieu.villeneuve at free.fr wrote: > I had a hard time thinking about an alternate name, Nikodemus > suggested "imago" on #lisp, and I like it. Would that be valid? It would. I'll go ahead and create the project. Erik. From root at common-lisp.net Tue Mar 9 13:00:41 2004 From: root at common-lisp.net (root) Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 08:00:41 -0500 Subject: [admin] added imago; owned by mvilleneuve Message-ID: Add successful at 2004.03.09.08.00. From root at common-lisp.net Tue Mar 9 16:18:50 2004 From: root at common-lisp.net (root) Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 11:18:50 -0500 Subject: [admin] added rjain-utils; owned by rjain Message-ID: Add successful at 2004.03.09.11.18. From ktilton at nyc.rr.com Wed Mar 10 18:56:49 2004 From: ktilton at nyc.rr.com (Kenny Tilton) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 13:56:49 -0500 Subject: [admin] new admin for cells/cello Message-ID: <404F64F1.9010308@nyc.rr.com> Gentleman: I think I have to go through you for this, apologies if not. Currently Mr. Burdick is a co-admin of the Cells project you are hosting. I would like to add Mr. Goenninger as another Cells admin, and make both gentleman admins of Cello. Thanks, kenny -- http://tilton-technology.com Why Lisp? http://alu.cliki.net/RtL%20Highlight%20Film Your Project Here! http://alu.cliki.net/Industry%20Application From erik at nittin.net Wed Mar 10 19:26:00 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 14:26:00 -0500 Subject: [admin] new admin for cells/cello In-Reply-To: <404F64F1.9010308@nyc.rr.com> References: <404F64F1.9010308@nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: On Mar 10, 2004, at 1:56 PM, Kenny Tilton wrote: > I think I have to go through you for this, apologies if not. Currently > Mr. Burdick is a co-admin of the Cells project you are hosting. I > would like to add Mr. Goenninger as another Cells admin, and make both > gentleman admins of Cello. Done. All Mr. Goenninger needs to do now is to send me his GPG/PGP public key so I can email him his password. Mr. Pink. From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de Wed Mar 10 23:17:48 2004 From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 00:17:48 +0100 Subject: [admin] new admin for cells/cello In-Reply-To: <404F64F1.9010308@nyc.rr.com> References: <404F64F1.9010308@nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: Kenny Tilton writes: > Gentleman: > > I think I have to go through you for this, apologies if not. Currently > Mr. Burdick is a co-admin of the Cells project you are hosting. I > would like to add Mr. Goenninger as another Cells admin, and make both > gentleman admins of Cello. > > Thanks, kenny Gentlemen! :-) I would like to recklessly seize the oportunity, and kindly urge you to write something in the webpages of these two projects. It happens to be that these projects are indeed (fledgling?) flagships of our august little community, and it would be thus higly cool if the links in the project pages would not lead to placeholders / automagically generated temporary web pages. There is a template you can use to hack up a temporary (or definitive) web presence here: http://common-lisp.net/project/clo/sp/project.zip You can preview it here http://common-lisp.net/project/clo/sp/index.html Sorry for the inconveniences. I would volunteer to do it myself, but the hard truth is that you know much better how to spin this. Kind regards, Mario. From tfb at OCF.Berkeley.EDU Tue Mar 16 20:41:24 2004 From: tfb at OCF.Berkeley.EDU (Thomas F. Burdick) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 12:41:24 -0800 Subject: [admin] new admin for cells/cello In-Reply-To: References: <404F64F1.9010308@nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <16471.26228.62565.113960@famine.OCF.Berkeley.EDU> I webbed up a draft page for Cello from Kenny, but I can't put it up because I'm not in the cello group. Someone want to add me, please? From erik at nittin.net Tue Mar 16 21:02:55 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:02:55 -0500 Subject: [admin] new admin for cells/cello In-Reply-To: <16471.26228.62565.113960@famine.OCF.Berkeley.EDU> References: <404F64F1.9010308@nyc.rr.com> <16471.26228.62565.113960@famine.OCF.Berkeley.EDU> Message-ID: <4BECF5F0-778D-11D8-8971-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> On Mar 16, 2004, at 3:41 PM, Thomas F. Burdick wrote: > I webbed up a draft page for Cello from Kenny, but I can't put it up > because I'm not in the cello group. Someone want to add me, please? Done. Erik. From ktilton at nyc.rr.com Thu Mar 18 16:54:41 2004 From: ktilton at nyc.rr.com (Kenny Tilton) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 11:54:41 -0500 Subject: [admin] new admin for cells/cello In-Reply-To: <7D6A8FB6-72CC-11D8-BE33-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> References: <404F64F1.9010308@nyc.rr.com> <404F7026.3020505@nyc.rr.com> <7D6A8FB6-72CC-11D8-BE33-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> Message-ID: <4059D451.2020701@nyc.rr.com> Erik Enge wrote: > I usually sign my files with > > gpg --sign -armor -r erik at nittin.net > > This produces .asc and I upload it and . > > Try that and let me know if it doesn't work for you. OK, finally got around to this, and I see the same thing that made me think I had it wrong: the .asc looks to be roughly the same size as the file signed. Is that right? I'm no expert on digital signature, but that seems wrong. I'll go ahead and upload them (Cello screenshots) anyway--the world is waiting! :) kt -- http://tilton-technology.com Why Lisp? http://alu.cliki.net/RtL%20Highlight%20Film Your Project Here! http://alu.cliki.net/Industry%20Application From erik at nittin.net Thu Mar 18 19:37:47 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 14:37:47 -0500 Subject: [admin] new admin for cells/cello In-Reply-To: <4059D451.2020701@nyc.rr.com> References: <404F64F1.9010308@nyc.rr.com> <404F7026.3020505@nyc.rr.com> <7D6A8FB6-72CC-11D8-BE33-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> <4059D451.2020701@nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: On Mar 18, 2004, at 11:54 AM, Kenny Tilton wrote: > OK, finally got around to this, and I see the same thing that made me > think I had it wrong: the .asc looks to be roughly the same size as > the file signed. Is that right? That seems fairly high. The .asc file shouldn't be very big. > I'm no expert on digital signature, but that seems wrong. I'll go > ahead and upload them (Cello screenshots) anyway--the world is > waiting! :) Sure, no problem. Send me a link and I will see if I can use that signature. Erik. From erik at nittin.net Thu Mar 18 21:29:01 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 16:29:01 -0500 Subject: [admin] new admin for cells/cello In-Reply-To: <4059D451.2020701@nyc.rr.com> References: <404F64F1.9010308@nyc.rr.com> <404F7026.3020505@nyc.rr.com> <7D6A8FB6-72CC-11D8-BE33-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> <4059D451.2020701@nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <46356880-7923-11D8-96A0-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> On Mar 18, 2004, at 11:54 AM, Kenny Tilton wrote: >> gpg --sign -armor -r erik at nittin.net My mistake, lose the "-r erik at nittin.net" and just do: gpg --sign --armor That should take care of it. About us signing your key: already done. Download our keychain from: http://common-lisp.net/keyring.asc and import it (gpg --import, IIRC). Erik. From ktilton at nyc.rr.com Thu Mar 18 21:54:24 2004 From: ktilton at nyc.rr.com (Kenny Tilton) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 16:54:24 -0500 Subject: [admin] new admin for cells/cello In-Reply-To: <46356880-7923-11D8-96A0-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> References: <404F64F1.9010308@nyc.rr.com> <404F7026.3020505@nyc.rr.com> <7D6A8FB6-72CC-11D8-BE33-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> <4059D451.2020701@nyc.rr.com> <46356880-7923-11D8-96A0-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> Message-ID: <405A1A90.1070102@nyc.rr.com> Erik Enge wrote: > > On Mar 18, 2004, at 11:54 AM, Kenny Tilton wrote: > >>> gpg --sign -armor -r erik at nittin.net >> > > My mistake, lose the "-r erik at nittin.net" and just do: > > gpg --sign --armor > > That should take care of it. Still big. Bigger, actually: 996kb. I broke down and tried help. gpg --detach-sign ...gave me a 1kb .SIG file. Is that OK? kt -- http://tilton-technology.com Why Lisp? http://alu.cliki.net/RtL%20Highlight%20Film Your Project Here! http://alu.cliki.net/Industry%20Application From erik at nittin.net Thu Mar 18 21:58:43 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 16:58:43 -0500 Subject: [admin] new admin for cells/cello In-Reply-To: <405A1A90.1070102@nyc.rr.com> References: <404F64F1.9010308@nyc.rr.com> <404F7026.3020505@nyc.rr.com> <7D6A8FB6-72CC-11D8-BE33-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> <4059D451.2020701@nyc.rr.com> <46356880-7923-11D8-96A0-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> <405A1A90.1070102@nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <6C95EB24-7927-11D8-96A0-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> On Mar 18, 2004, at 4:54 PM, Kenny Tilton wrote: > Still big. Bigger, actually: 996kb. > > I broke down and tried help. > > gpg --detach-sign > > ...gave me a 1kb .SIG file. Is that OK? That sounds ok. I bet we have different versions of gpg (1.2.2 here) and that's what been causing the confusion. Erik. From lynbech at defun.dk Fri Mar 12 22:34:18 2004 From: lynbech at defun.dk (Christian Lynbech) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:34:18 +0100 Subject: [admin] Application for project hosting for CPARSE Message-ID: <16466.15082.403833.939585@baguette.defun.dk> Hello. I have communicated with Tim Moore and have been given permission to make public and hack along on his CPARSE package. This is something that can take a C header file and produce FFI definitions. It is implemented for CMUCL but I want to extend it to producing UFFI definitions instead. I would very much like this project hosted on common-lisp.net. ------------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Christian Lynbech | christian #\@ defun #\. dk ------------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Hit the philistines three times over the head with the Elisp reference manual. - petonic at hal.com (Michael A. Petonic) From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de Fri Mar 12 22:36:24 2004 From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:36:24 +0100 Subject: [admin] Application for project hosting for CPARSE In-Reply-To: <16466.15082.403833.939585@baguette.defun.dk> References: <16466.15082.403833.939585@baguette.defun.dk> Message-ID: lynbech at defun.dk (Christian Lynbech) writes: > Hello. > > I have communicated with Tim Moore and have been given permission to > make public and hack along on his CPARSE package. This is something > that can take a C header file and produce FFI definitions. It is > implemented for CMUCL but I want to extend it to producing UFFI > definitions instead. > > I would very much like this project hosted on common-lisp.net. That is great news! Under what license will it be? Regards, Mario. From tsiivola at cc.hut.fi Fri Mar 12 22:43:31 2004 From: tsiivola at cc.hut.fi (Nikodemus Siivola) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 00:43:31 +0200 (EET) Subject: [admin] Application for project hosting for CPARSE In-Reply-To: <16466.15082.403833.939585@baguette.defun.dk> References: <16466.15082.403833.939585@baguette.defun.dk> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, Christian Lynbech wrote: > I would very much like this project hosted on common-lisp.net. I'll be delighted to approve, but before that we need to know the license... Cheers, -- Nikodemus Siivola From christian at defun.dk Sat Mar 13 06:03:03 2004 From: christian at defun.dk (Christian Lynbech) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 07:03:03 +0100 Subject: [admin] Application for project hosting for CPARSE In-Reply-To: (Nikodemus Siivola's message of "Sat, 13 Mar 2004 00:43:31 +0200 (EET)") References: <16466.15082.403833.939585@baguette.defun.dk> Message-ID: <873c8dwag8.fsf@baguette.defun.dk> >>>>> "Nikodemus" == Nikodemus Siivola writes: Nikodemus> On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, Christian Lynbech wrote: >> I would very much like this project hosted on common-lisp.net. Nikodemus> I'll be delighted to approve, but before that we need to know the Nikodemus> license... Ah, sorry. The license reads as follows. I am sure however that if there are problems in it we can talk to Tim about it. I am of course not going to change or restrict this in any way. ;;; ;;; Copyright (c) 2001 Timothy Moore ;;; All rights reserved. ;;; ;;; Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without ;;; modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions ;;; are met: ;;; 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright ;;; notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. ;;; 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright ;;; notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the ;;; documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution. ;;; 3. The name of the author may not be used to endorse or promote products ;;; derived from this software without specific prior written permission. ;;; ;;; THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE AUTHOR AND CONTRIBUTORS ``AS IS'' AND ;;; ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE ;;; IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE ;;; ARE DISCLAIMED. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHOR OR CONTRIBUTORS BE LIABLE ;;; FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL ;;; DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS ;;; OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) ;;; HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT ;;; LIABILITY, OR TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY ;;; OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF ;;; SUCH DAMAGE. ------------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Christian Lynbech | christian #\@ defun #\. dk ------------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Hit the philistines three times over the head with the Elisp reference manual. - petonic at hal.com (Michael A. Petonic) From tsiivola at cc.hut.fi Sat Mar 13 09:33:03 2004 From: tsiivola at cc.hut.fi (Nikodemus Siivola) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 11:33:03 +0200 (EET) Subject: [admin] Application for project hosting for CPARSE In-Reply-To: <873c8dwag8.fsf@baguette.defun.dk> References: <16466.15082.403833.939585@baguette.defun.dk> <873c8dwag8.fsf@baguette.defun.dk> Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Mar 2004, Christian Lynbech wrote: > Ah, sorry. The license reads as follows. I am sure however that if > there are problems in it we can talk to Tim about it. I am of course > not going to change or restrict this in any way. [snip "new-style" BSD-license] Perfect! Approved, -- Nikodemus Siivola From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de Sat Mar 13 09:48:29 2004 From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 10:48:29 +0100 Subject: [admin] Application for project hosting for CPARSE In-Reply-To: <873c8dwag8.fsf@baguette.defun.dk> References: <16466.15082.403833.939585@baguette.defun.dk> <873c8dwag8.fsf@baguette.defun.dk> Message-ID: Christian Lynbech writes: > >>>>> "Nikodemus" == Nikodemus Siivola writes: > > Nikodemus> On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, Christian Lynbech wrote: > >> I would very much like this project hosted on common-lisp.net. > > Nikodemus> I'll be delighted to approve, but before that we need to know the > Nikodemus> license... > > Ah, sorry. The license reads as follows. I am sure however that if > there are problems in it we can talk to Tim about it. I am of course > not going to change or restrict this in any way. [...] It's ok :-) I approve! Regards, Mario. From root at common-lisp.net Sat Mar 13 19:07:21 2004 From: root at common-lisp.net (root) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 14:07:21 -0500 Subject: [admin] added cparse; owned by clynbech Message-ID: Add successful at 2004.03.13.14.07. From ktilton at nyc.rr.com Tue Mar 16 17:12:26 2004 From: ktilton at nyc.rr.com (Kenny Tilton) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 12:12:26 -0500 Subject: [admin] Re: [cello-devel] Something wonderful... In-Reply-To: <20040316092814.GF4682@nextra.com> References: <20040316092814.GF4682@nextra.com> Message-ID: <4057357A.80609@nyc.rr.com> Bj?rn Nordb? wrote: >[I tried to subscribe to the mailing list in order to post the following, > but for some reason the confirmation mail never reaches me.] > Try emailing admin at common-lisp.net. Support is excellent. > > > >>...is about to happen, but I do not want to give it away. Hint: I got >>into this because I decided the Cello web page needs an animated GIF, >>not screen shots. >> >> > >I guess that means the page won't be ready in the foerseeable future? :-) > Smart guess. :) But I really do hope to do it today. Draft of some random text is attached. Hope you can read RTF. If not I will send it as plain text. Maybe you can help me refine it...what can I leave out, what more would you liek to know? > >In that case, I'll stop lurking waiting for the page and rather ask some >questions here... > >- What *is* Cello about, really? Is it a GUI, a GUI toolkit, a 3D took- > kit or all of the above? Text will do as an answer, I suppose. > All of the above? It is not like some GUIs where you get a fixed framework you have to learn and live with, although it will offer as much out-of-the-box productivity as those. Cello is just way more flexible. Once people see the source for my widgets they will get the idea and probably invent their own (in typical Lisp fashion). >- I only have access to SBCL/CMUCL on Linux or Lispworks on Solaris; are > there any hope of getting something to work with a moderate amount of > work? > Absolutely. It already runs on ACL/win32, LW/win32, and ACL/Linux. You need recent patches to CMUCL/SBCL to handle callbacks from C into Lisp. See if you can get on the mailing list (which I will CC on this message) where a few folks are puttering around with cmucl/sbcl. (Not much news lately, tho, so it might be your turn at the plate.) > >I had some vague idea about making some funky 3D GUI using Glut and Common >Lisp a few months ago, but it faded before any code was written. This is >why I'm interested in the Cello project.. > > Well it's working like a charm so far. Just gotta do more widgets and then it is up to others to do more ports. I will eventually do an LW/OSX port if no one else does. Right now I am stalled because I am having fun creating a killer new capability for Cello. I guess I am easily distracted. :) kt -- http://tilton-technology.com Why Lisp? http://alu.cliki.net/RtL%20Highlight%20Film Your Project Here! http://alu.cliki.net/Industry%20Application -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: www-cello.rtf URL: From erik at nittin.net Tue Mar 16 18:43:39 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:43:39 -0500 Subject: [admin] Re: [cello-devel] Something wonderful... In-Reply-To: <4057357A.80609@nyc.rr.com> References: <20040316092814.GF4682@nextra.com> <4057357A.80609@nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: On Mar 16, 2004, at 12:12 PM, Kenny Tilton wrote: > Bj?rn Nordb? wrote: > >> [I tried to subscribe to the mailing list in order to post the >> following, >> but for some reason the confirmation mail never reaches me.] >> > Try emailing admin at common-lisp.net. Support is excellent. Seems like there's some problem at Telenor's end: 2004-03-16 05:47:12 1B2oOt-0008HY-00 == bn at telenor.net T=remote_smtp defer (0): SMTP error from remote mailer after RCPT TO:: host greylin.nsc.no [193.213.112.58]: 450 Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname, [69.55.225.112] Erik. From bn at telenor.net Tue Mar 16 18:53:51 2004 From: bn at telenor.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn_Nordb=F8?=) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 19:53:51 +0100 Subject: [admin] Re: [cello-devel] Something wonderful... In-Reply-To: References: <20040316092814.GF4682@nextra.com> <4057357A.80609@nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <20040316185351.GA9175@nextra.com> Erik Enge wrote: > > Seems like there's some problem at Telenor's end: > > 2004-03-16 05:47:12 1B2oOt-0008HY-00 == bn at telenor.net T=remote_smtp > defer (0): > SMTP error from remote mailer after RCPT TO:: host > greylin.nsc.no [193.213.112.58]: > 450 Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname, [69.55.225.112] Ah, the problem seems to be that we refuse to talk to hosts lacking reverse lookup. Do you know if hostmaster at leenux.net is the correct address to contact regarding this problem? Thanks btw, the support really is excellent. :-) -- Lisp can accomodate a wide range of psychological problems. From erik at nittin.net Tue Mar 16 19:07:38 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 14:07:38 -0500 Subject: [admin] Re: [cello-devel] Something wonderful... In-Reply-To: <20040316185351.GA9175@nextra.com> References: <20040316092814.GF4682@nextra.com> <4057357A.80609@nyc.rr.com> <20040316185351.GA9175@nextra.com> Message-ID: <30CE6ECC-777D-11D8-8971-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> On Mar 16, 2004, at 1:53 PM, Bj?rn Nordb? wrote: > Ah, the problem seems to be that we refuse to talk to hosts lacking > reverse lookup. Do you know if hostmaster at leenux.net is the correct > address to contact regarding this problem? I don't know where you found that address but I don't recognize it. I'll email our hosting provider, they administer DNS for us too. > Thanks btw, the support really is excellent. :-) Great! :-) Erik. From erik at nittin.net Tue Mar 16 20:23:21 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 15:23:21 -0500 Subject: [admin] Re: [cello-devel] Something wonderful... In-Reply-To: <20040316185351.GA9175@nextra.com> References: <20040316092814.GF4682@nextra.com> <4057357A.80609@nyc.rr.com> <20040316185351.GA9175@nextra.com> Message-ID: On Mar 16, 2004, at 1:53 PM, Bj?rn Nordb? wrote: > Ah, the problem seems to be that we refuse to talk to hosts lacking > reverse lookup. Do you know if hostmaster at leenux.net is the correct > address to contact regarding this problem? Should be fixed now, could you try? Erik. From bn at telenor.net Tue Mar 16 21:38:15 2004 From: bn at telenor.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn_Nordb=F8?=) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 22:38:15 +0100 Subject: [admin] Re: [cello-devel] Something wonderful... In-Reply-To: References: <20040316092814.GF4682@nextra.com> <4057357A.80609@nyc.rr.com> <20040316185351.GA9175@nextra.com> Message-ID: <20040316213815.GA9360@nextra.com> Erik Enge wrote: > > On Mar 16, 2004, at 1:53 PM, Bj?rn Nordb? wrote: > > >Ah, the problem seems to be that we refuse to talk to hosts lacking > >reverse lookup. Do you know if hostmaster at leenux.net is the correct > >address to contact regarding this problem? > > Should be fixed now, could you try? Strange. The reverse lookup works fine, but I still don't get any confirmation message. Maybe there's just a delay somewhere.. -- Lisp can accomodate a wide range of psychological problems. From erik at nittin.net Tue Mar 16 21:43:44 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:43:44 -0500 Subject: [admin] Re: [cello-devel] Something wonderful... In-Reply-To: <20040316213815.GA9360@nextra.com> References: <20040316092814.GF4682@nextra.com> <4057357A.80609@nyc.rr.com> <20040316185351.GA9175@nextra.com> <20040316213815.GA9360@nextra.com> Message-ID: On Mar 16, 2004, at 4:38 PM, Bj?rn Nordb? wrote: > Strange. The reverse lookup works fine, but I still don't get any > confirmation message. Maybe there's just a delay somewhere.. Nothing still? The mail left the clnet email server fine this time. Erik. From bn at telenor.net Tue Mar 16 22:32:52 2004 From: bn at telenor.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn_Nordb=F8?=) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 23:32:52 +0100 Subject: [admin] Re: [cello-devel] Something wonderful... In-Reply-To: References: <20040316092814.GF4682@nextra.com> <4057357A.80609@nyc.rr.com> <20040316185351.GA9175@nextra.com> <20040316213815.GA9360@nextra.com> Message-ID: <20040316223252.GA9385@nextra.com> Erik Enge wrote: > > On Mar 16, 2004, at 4:38 PM, Bj?rn Nordb? wrote: > > >Strange. The reverse lookup works fine, but I still don't get any > >confirmation message. Maybe there's just a delay somewhere.. > > Nothing still? The mail left the clnet email server fine this time. Nothing. I'll talk to our mail admin tomorrow. Thank you very much for your help! -- Lisp can accomodate a wide range of psychological problems. From bn at telenor.net Wed Mar 17 14:28:52 2004 From: bn at telenor.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn_Nordb=F8?=) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 15:28:52 +0100 Subject: [admin] Re: [cello-devel] Something wonderful... In-Reply-To: References: <20040316092814.GF4682@nextra.com> <4057357A.80609@nyc.rr.com> <20040316185351.GA9175@nextra.com> <20040316213815.GA9360@nextra.com> Message-ID: <20040317142852.GF11571@nextra.com> Erik Enge wrote: > > On Mar 16, 2004, at 4:38 PM, Bj?rn Nordb? wrote: > > >Strange. The reverse lookup works fine, but I still don't get any > >confirmation message. Maybe there's just a delay somewhere.. > > Nothing still? The mail left the clnet email server fine this time. The problem seems to be that our mail server does a double reverse lookup and 69.55.225.112 resolves to mail.common-lisp.net while mail.common-lisp.net resolves to 69.55.225.117. Our mail admin has white listed 69.55.225.112 solving the problem for me. You might still want to correct this as there are lots of paranoid mail admins out there.. :-) -- Lisp can accomodate a wide range of psychological problems. From tfb at OCF.Berkeley.EDU Wed Mar 17 00:25:45 2004 From: tfb at OCF.Berkeley.EDU (Thomas F. Burdick) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:25:45 -0800 Subject: [admin] Re: [cello-devel] Something wonderful... In-Reply-To: <4057357A.80609@nyc.rr.com> References: <20040316092814.GF4682@nextra.com> <4057357A.80609@nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <16471.39689.268676.819234@famine.OCF.Berkeley.EDU> Kenny Tilton writes: > > Bj?rn Nordb? wrote: > > >I guess that means the page won't be ready in the foerseeable future? :-) > > Smart guess. :) But I really do hope to do it today. Draft of some > random text is attached. And that random text is now up on the web, slightly modified by me to put it in a web-friendly inverted pyramid. The style sheet still needs some work (those description lists aren't exactly the prettiest I've ever seen), but it's better than what was there before ;-) From thierry at xtensive.com Tue Mar 16 17:40:27 2004 From: thierry at xtensive.com (Thierry MICHEL) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:40:27 +0100 Subject: [admin] project admission Message-ID: <033E6202-7771-11D8-B267-000A95AD4526@xtensive.com> Hi, I would like to be admitted as developer on the Encline project. Thanks for your answer and your info about how I can be admitted, Best regards. -- Thierry MICHEL Xtensive Consulting & Development Consultant en Informatique Expert en Informatique Solidaire 19 Rue de l'Ail 67000 Strasbourg +33(0)388 23 27 48 | +33(0)6 10 39 76 51 http://www.xtensive.com From yrashk at fp.org.ua Tue Mar 16 17:41:40 2004 From: yrashk at fp.org.ua (Yurii A. Rashkovskii) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 19:41:40 +0200 Subject: [admin] project admission References: <033E6202-7771-11D8-B267-000A95AD4526@xtensive.com> Message-ID: <060f01c40b7e$00639e90$630a0a0a@kiev.ua.ddlabs.com> > I would like to be admitted as developer on the Encline project. I approve Thierry's admittion to Encline. Regards, Yurii. From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de Tue Mar 16 17:43:25 2004 From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:43:25 +0100 Subject: [admin] project admission In-Reply-To: <033E6202-7771-11D8-B267-000A95AD4526@xtensive.com> References: <033E6202-7771-11D8-B267-000A95AD4526@xtensive.com> Message-ID: Thierry MICHEL writes: > Hi, > > I would like to be admitted as developer on the Encline project. > > Thanks for your answer and your info about how I can be admitted, You have to ask the owner, who then asks us to add you, and then we add you. We then will need your GPG key to set up the account. Regards, Mario. From tfb at OCF.Berkeley.EDU Tue Mar 16 18:46:05 2004 From: tfb at OCF.Berkeley.EDU (Thomas F. Burdick) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:46:05 -0800 Subject: [admin] New project for SQLisp Message-ID: <16471.19309.83518.240117@famine.OCF.Berkeley.EDU> Hi, I have a project that I'd like to host at common-lisp.net: I have some code in my personal toolbox that I'd like to spin off into an open source release. It's a functional modeling of the relational algebra that generates SQL, inspired by Squeak Smalltalk's ROE (http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/userblogs/avi/blogView?searchCategory=databases). I'll be releasing it under an MIT license. The name of the project is SQLisp. If you all approve it, I'll put a real webpage up in a timely fashion, promise :-) Thanks, Thomas From erik at nittin.net Tue Mar 16 18:49:01 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:49:01 -0500 Subject: [admin] New project for SQLisp In-Reply-To: <16471.19309.83518.240117@famine.OCF.Berkeley.EDU> References: <16471.19309.83518.240117@famine.OCF.Berkeley.EDU> Message-ID: <975EB4CC-777A-11D8-8971-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> On Mar 16, 2004, at 1:46 PM, Thomas F. Burdick wrote: > I have some code in my personal toolbox that I'd like to spin off into > an open source release. It's a functional modeling of the relational > algebra that generates SQL, inspired by Squeak Smalltalk's ROE > (http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/userblogs/avi/blogView? > searchCategory=databases). > I'll be releasing it under an MIT license. The name of the project is > SQLisp. Approved! :-) Erik. From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de Tue Mar 16 20:13:59 2004 From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 21:13:59 +0100 Subject: [admin] New project for SQLisp In-Reply-To: <16471.19309.83518.240117@famine.OCF.Berkeley.EDU> References: <16471.19309.83518.240117@famine.OCF.Berkeley.EDU> Message-ID: "Thomas F. Burdick" writes: > Hi, I have a project that I'd like to host at common-lisp.net: > > I have some code in my personal toolbox that I'd like to spin off into > an open source release. It's a functional modeling of the relational > algebra that generates SQL, inspired by Squeak Smalltalk's ROE > (http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/userblogs/avi/blogView?searchCategory=databases). > I'll be releasing it under an MIT license. The name of the project is SQLisp. > > If you all approve it, I'll put a real webpage up in a timely fashion, > promise :-) :-)) Yep, I approve. Regards, Mario. From tsiivola at cc.hut.fi Tue Mar 16 20:36:58 2004 From: tsiivola at cc.hut.fi (Nikodemus Siivola) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 22:36:58 +0200 (EET) Subject: [admin] New project for SQLisp In-Reply-To: <16471.19309.83518.240117@famine.OCF.Berkeley.EDU> References: <16471.19309.83518.240117@famine.OCF.Berkeley.EDU> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Mar 2004, Thomas F. Burdick wrote: > I'll be releasing it under an MIT license. The name of the project is > SQLisp. Approved, -- Nikodemus Siivola From root at common-lisp.net Tue Mar 16 21:04:20 2004 From: root at common-lisp.net (root) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:04:20 -0500 Subject: [admin] added sqlisp; owned by tburdick Message-ID: Add successful at 2004.03.16.16.04. From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de Tue Mar 16 20:55:43 2004 From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 21:55:43 +0100 Subject: [admin] Re: CVS machine status update References: <200403151842.i2FIgpR12666@saturn.mikemac.com> <87r7vsstfc.fsf@snark.piermont.com> <20040316104835.A63434@cons.org> Message-ID: Martin Cracauer writes: > 1) we move the CVS tree and user accounts to cl.net instantly. This > is not a problem as intact copies of the CVS tree float around all > my machines. People can arrange their user accounts with CL.net > directly. I will push over files from the old homedirs as needed > on request. Ok. It would be nice if you (or Ray, or Pierre, ...) could send us a list of the developers, so we know who to add. Please send it to admin(at)common-lisp(dot)net. We have the following policy on usernames: Initial of first name + surname (mine, for example, is mmommer) - I hope this is OK. To actually get an account, we need the PGP key (and the email adress) of each developer, so we can send the temporary password. Just send it to admin(at)common-lisp(dot)net with a small remark so we know. After the first key arrives it won't be long before the project is up. > 3) mailing lists are not affected. Ok. So we /do not/ set them up in c-l.net. Can be changend in the future. > 4) cl.net can set up services as they see fit. Low-volume services > can also be hosted on my German machine. Every project gets webspace and ftp area, and I think it is easier for us to set it up than not to set it up. It is ok not to use it. We will do our best to keep old Murphy from messing with things too much :-). I wish you and everybody good and better luck! Regards, Mario. From erik at nittin.net Tue Mar 16 21:09:52 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:09:52 -0500 Subject: [admin] Re: CVS machine status update In-Reply-To: References: <200403151842.i2FIgpR12666@saturn.mikemac.com> <87r7vsstfc.fsf@snark.piermont.com> <20040316104835.A63434@cons.org> Message-ID: <443FF605-778E-11D8-8971-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> On Mar 16, 2004, at 3:55 PM, Mario Mommer wrote: > Ok. So we /do not/ set them up in c-l.net. Can be changend in the > future. By default, cmucl-devel, cmucl-announce and cmucl-cvs will be set up (with local.cmucl.devel etc. NNTP groups that mirroring the mailinglists). Do you want me to delete these? Erik. From toy at rtp.ericsson.se Wed Mar 17 16:15:19 2004 From: toy at rtp.ericsson.se (Raymond Toy) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:15:19 -0500 Subject: [admin] Re: CVS machine status update In-Reply-To: (Mario Mommer's message of "Tue, 16 Mar 2004 21:55:43 +0100") References: <200403151842.i2FIgpR12666@saturn.mikemac.com> <87r7vsstfc.fsf@snark.piermont.com> <20040316104835.A63434@cons.org> Message-ID: <4nn06fqwko.fsf@edgedsp4.rtp.ericsson.se> >>>>> "Mario" == Mario Mommer writes: Mario> Ok. It would be nice if you (or Ray, or Pierre, ...) could send us a Mario> list of the developers, so we know who to add. Please send it to Mario> admin(at)common-lisp(dot)net. The current list is on www.cons.org/cmucl/credits.html. I'm pretty sure that's correct. I think that Rob MacLachlan and Peter Van Eynde did not have CVS commit access, but I'm not sure. Ray -- Ericsson may automatically add a disclaimer. Sorry, it's beyond my control. 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From mikemac at mikemac.com Wed Mar 17 16:59:48 2004 From: mikemac at mikemac.com (Mike McDonald) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:59:48 -0500 Subject: [admin] Re: CVS machine status update In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:15:19 EST." <4nn06fqwko.fsf@edgedsp4.rtp.ericsson.se> Message-ID: <200403171659.i2HGxmR19743@saturn.mikemac.com> >To: Mario Mommer >Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:15:19 -0500 >From: Raymond Toy > >>>>>> "Mario" == Mario Mommer writes: > > Mario> Ok. It would be nice if you (or Ray, or Pierre, ...) could send us > a > Mario> list of the developers, so we know who to add. Please send it to > Mario> admin(at)common-lisp(dot)net. > >The current list is on www.cons.org/cmucl/credits.html. I'm pretty >sure that's correct. I think that Rob MacLachlan and Peter Van Eynde >did not have CVS commit access, but I'm not sure. > >Ray I had a login for MIPS tarballs. Mike McDonald mikemac at mikemac.com From david at knowledgetools.de Wed Mar 17 14:11:19 2004 From: david at knowledgetools.de (David Lichteblau) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 15:11:19 +0100 Subject: [admin] Request for hosting of the Closure XML parser on common-lisp.net Message-ID: <874qsnk1h4.fsf@knowledgetools.de> Hi, Gilbert Baumann wrote an XML parser as part of his Closure web browser. He has agreed that it would be nice to host it as an independent project. knowledgeTools is using this parser and has taken it out of Closure. Our version also has a bunch of DOM correctness fixes. Although we are using the code and are interested in getting feedback on our changes, we will not host mailing lists or CVS ourselves. The code is available under the (L)LGPL. It would be nice if this project could be hosted on cl.net! I'm currently using "cxml" as the project name. Thanks, David -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Approved, -- Nikodemus Siivola From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de Wed Mar 17 14:22:15 2004 From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 15:22:15 +0100 Subject: [admin] Request for hosting of the Closure XML parser on common-lisp.net In-Reply-To: <874qsnk1h4.fsf@knowledgetools.de> References: <874qsnk1h4.fsf@knowledgetools.de> Message-ID: Hi! David Lichteblau writes: > Hi, > > Gilbert Baumann wrote an XML parser as part of his Closure web browser. > He has agreed that it would be nice to host it as an independent > project. > > knowledgeTools is using this parser and has taken it out of Closure. > Our version also has a bunch of DOM correctness fixes. Although we are > using the code and are interested in getting feedback on our changes, we > will not host mailing lists or CVS ourselves. > > The code is available under the (L)LGPL. > > It would be nice if this project could be hosted on cl.net! I'm > currently using "cxml" as the project name. Sounds good! I approve. Regards, Mario. From root at common-lisp.net Wed Mar 17 14:47:28 2004 From: root at common-lisp.net (root) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:47:28 -0500 Subject: [admin] added cxml; owned by dlichteblau Message-ID: Add successful at 2004.03.17.09.47. From toy at rtp.ericsson.se Wed Mar 17 21:03:41 2004 From: toy at rtp.ericsson.se (Raymond Toy) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 16:03:41 -0500 Subject: [admin] PGP key for cmucl access Message-ID: <4nn06fp4nm.fsf@edgedsp4.rtp.ericsson.se> Gentlepeople, I'm attaching my PGP key for this e-mail address, on the assumption that CMUCL will move to cl.net at least temporarily. Thank you very much for offering to host CMUCL. Much appreciated! Ray P.S. I hope this works! This communication is confidential and intended solely for the addressee(s). Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. 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Preferably to my "christian at defun.dk" address, I am not quite sure what forward I set up when I was first created at cl.net. ------------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Christian Lynbech | christian #\@ defun #\. dk ------------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Hit the philistines three times over the head with the Elisp reference manual. - petonic at hal.com (Michael A. Petonic) From erik at nittin.net Thu Mar 18 12:22:06 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 07:22:06 -0500 Subject: [admin] forgotten password In-Reply-To: <87oequn2k9.fsf@baguette.defun.dk> References: <87oequn2k9.fsf@baguette.defun.dk> Message-ID: On Mar 18, 2004, at 12:31 AM, Christian Lynbech wrote: > I seem to forgotten my common-lisp.net password. Could somebody please > generate a new one or mail the old one? It has been reset, can I have your PGP/GPG public key? Erik. From root at common-lisp.net Thu Mar 18 14:11:15 2004 From: root at common-lisp.net (root) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 09:11:15 -0500 Subject: [admin] added cmucl; owned by mcracauer Message-ID: Add successful at 2004.03.18.09.11. From tsiivola at cc.hut.fi Fri Mar 19 14:52:21 2004 From: tsiivola at cc.hut.fi (Nikodemus Siivola) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 16:52:21 +0200 (EET) Subject: [admin] CMUCL on Common-lisp.net Message-ID: Raymond Toy mentioned on #lisp that Fred Gilham (in cc) also had CMUCL CVS access, and wanted to check that he has been contacted for the PGP/GPG keys. Fred: in case you have not yet been contacted, we need you PGP or GPG public key to set up your common-lisp.net account. You can eg. send to the admin at common-lisp.net list. Cheers, -- Nikodemus Siivola From pw at snoopy.mv.com Sat Mar 20 20:07:14 2004 From: pw at snoopy.mv.com (Paul Werkowski) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 15:07:14 -0500 Subject: [admin] anonymous Message-ID: <000901c40eb6$f05c8b10$0201a8c0@moby> I see that user "anonymous" is a member of the cmucl group. If this means that anonymous has write access to the cmucl repository then please do remove it from the group. Thanks, Paul Werkowski From erik at nittin.net Mon Mar 22 11:38:12 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 06:38:12 -0500 Subject: [admin] anonymous In-Reply-To: <000901c40eb6$f05c8b10$0201a8c0@moby> References: <000901c40eb6$f05c8b10$0201a8c0@moby> Message-ID: <669B4676-7BF5-11D8-96A0-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> On Mar 20, 2004, at 3:07 PM, Paul Werkowski wrote: > I see that user "anonymous" is a member of the cmucl group. If this > means > that anonymous has write access to the cmucl repository then please do > remove it > from the group. It only means anonymous can read the repository. Erik. From erik at nittin.net Mon Mar 22 15:45:39 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 10:45:39 -0500 Subject: [admin] Disk space Message-ID: It seems that we ran out of diskspace today. According to our hosting provider they should add diskspace to our server on an as-needed basis until we incurr an extra 100/month charge but for some reason or other this did not happen. I have mailed them about the situtation and with instructions to add two additional gigabytes so we have some more room for expansion. I have moved some backups off to another server of mine (the hosting provider also keeps backups) and I have deleted some files not needed so have space right now. Hopefully this incident did not impact most of you and for those whom it did, I apologize and hope we did not lose any code. Let me know if there are any issues. Erik. From awj at juckel.net Mon Mar 22 22:09:27 2004 From: awj at juckel.net (Anthony W. Juckel) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 16:09:27 -0600 Subject: [admin] Possible creation of UncommonSQL project Message-ID: <405F6417.7080500@juckel.net> I'm currently talking with one of the onShore people about possibly uploading their uncommonsql package to the common-lisp.net web site so that it may have a home for community development. It's looking likely that I'll be getting a CVS repository dump from them before too long. Here's the relevant project info (I don't have a member list as of now...its unclear as to whether or not the original maintainers will want to continue working on it): UncommonSQL, a database abstraction layer for Common Lisp providing both a functional interface as well as a CLOS object relational layer. The software is a fork from MaiSQL, and has been developed for a few years by onShore, Inc and it is released under a MIT/X-like software license. Here's the current copyright notice: Copyright (C) 1999 Pierre Mai Copyright (C) 2000-2001 onShore Development, Inc. Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), to deal in the Software without restriction, including without limitation the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the Software is furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions: The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software. THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHOR BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER LIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM, OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN THE SOFTWARE. Except as contained in this notice, the name of the author shall not be used in advertising or otherwise to promote the sale, use or other dealings in this Software without prior written authorization from the author. Currently Members: Anthony W. Juckel From tsiivola at cc.hut.fi Mon Mar 22 22:12:13 2004 From: tsiivola at cc.hut.fi (Nikodemus Siivola) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 00:12:13 +0200 (EET) Subject: [admin] Possible creation of UncommonSQL project In-Reply-To: <405F6417.7080500@juckel.net> References: <405F6417.7080500@juckel.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Mar 2004, Anthony W. Juckel wrote: > UncommonSQL, a database abstraction layer for Common Lisp providing both > a functional interface as well as a CLOS object relational layer. The > software is a fork from MaiSQL, and has been developed for a few years > by onShore, Inc and it is released under a MIT/X-like software license. Approved, -- Nikodemus Siivola From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de Mon Mar 22 22:47:13 2004 From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 23:47:13 +0100 Subject: [admin] Possible creation of UncommonSQL project In-Reply-To: References: <405F6417.7080500@juckel.net> Message-ID: Nikodemus Siivola writes: > On Mon, 22 Mar 2004, Anthony W. Juckel wrote: > > > UncommonSQL, a database abstraction layer for Common Lisp providing both > > a functional interface as well as a CLOS object relational layer. The > > software is a fork from MaiSQL, and has been developed for a few years > > by onShore, Inc and it is released under a MIT/X-like software license. > > Approved, I second that. Regards, Mario. From erik at nittin.net Mon Mar 22 23:14:31 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 18:14:31 -0500 Subject: [admin] Possible creation of UncommonSQL project In-Reply-To: <405F6417.7080500@juckel.net> References: <405F6417.7080500@juckel.net> Message-ID: On Mar 22, 2004, at 5:09 PM, Anthony W. Juckel wrote: > I'm currently talking with one of the onShore people about possibly > uploading their uncommonsql package to the common-lisp.net web site so > that it may have a home for community development. It's looking > likely that I'll be getting a CVS repository dump from them before too > long. You say "Possible creation", as it has been approved, would you like it to be created? If so, I'll need your GPG/PGP public key. Erik. From awj at juckel.net Tue Mar 23 01:43:40 2004 From: awj at juckel.net (Anthony W. Juckel) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 19:43:40 -0600 Subject: [admin] Possible creation of UncommonSQL project In-Reply-To: References: <405F6417.7080500@juckel.net> Message-ID: <405F964C.1020806@juckel.net> Erik Enge wrote: > > On Mar 22, 2004, at 5:09 PM, Anthony W. Juckel wrote: > >> I'm currently talking with one of the onShore people about possibly >> uploading their uncommonsql package to the common-lisp.net web site so >> that it may have a home for community development. It's looking >> likely that I'll be getting a CVS repository dump from them before too >> long. > > > You say "Possible creation", as it has been approved, would you like it > to be created? > > If so, I'll need your GPG/PGP public key. > > Erik. > Possible because I'm still waiting to get the final ok from the original developer. I've been speaking with them, so I don't assume there will be a problem, but I'd rather wait until I actually have the files before creating the project. I wanted to know if common-lisp.net would allow us to host it there, or if I should be checking sourceforge, or something similar. I didn't expect such a quick response. Glad to hear that it has been accepted. I'll send my key once I have the final files from the old maintainers. Anthony W. Juckel From emarsden at laas.fr Tue Mar 23 10:22:39 2004 From: emarsden at laas.fr (Eric Marsden) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 11:22:39 +0100 Subject: [admin] new member for the lispfaq project In-Reply-To: (Nikodemus Siivola's message of "Tue, 23 Mar 2004 12:19:22 +0200 (EET)") References: Message-ID: Hi, Could you please add Nikodemus Siivola to the "lispfaq" project? Thanks, -- Eric Marsden From erik at nittin.net Tue Mar 23 14:43:38 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 09:43:38 -0500 Subject: [admin] new member for the lispfaq project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <78A32F98-7CD8-11D8-A1C2-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> On Mar 23, 2004, at 5:22 AM, Eric Marsden wrote: > Could you please add Nikodemus Siivola to the "lispfaq" project? Done. Erik. From mikel at evins.net Tue Mar 23 18:20:51 2004 From: mikel at evins.net (mikel evins) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:20:51 -0800 Subject: [admin] project proposals: Alpaca, Hansa2 Message-ID: Two of my open-source projects, Alpaca and Hansa2, are hosted at Sourceforge. Another, Clotho, is hosted at common-lisp.net. I like common-lisp.net better so far. Alpaca and Hansa2 are both written in Common Lisp. Alpaca is a Mac OS X (Aqua) application written in OpenMCL. It's an extensible word processor for prose authors, supporting rich text and WYSIWIG page layout. At the same time, it's an extensible Lisp environment with Emacs-style extensible key-bindings and a Common Lisp API. Alpaca has a Lisp listener. Hansa2 is an implementation of the trade game Hansa, invented by the economist David D. Friedman. The game is generally similar to games like Empire and Risk: the goal is to dominate the world. The great difference from other games is that in Hansa you expand, not by conquering your neighbors, but by persuading them to voluntarily join trade leagues, by making better offers than competing leagues. Hansa is also written in Common Lisp, and consists of a portable server and N platform-specific client applications (where N presently equals 1: there is an OS X client, but Windows and Linux clients are planned). Would common-lisp.net like to host these projects? If so, I'd be interested in moving them over from Sourceforge. ---------- "[W]e were after the C++ programmers. We managed to drag a lot of them about halfway to Lisp. Aren't you happy?" [Guy Steele, of Sun Microsystems Labs, about designing Java] From erik at nittin.net Tue Mar 23 18:27:07 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 13:27:07 -0500 Subject: [admin] project proposals: Alpaca, Hansa2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mar 23, 2004, at 1:20 PM, mikel evins wrote: > Would common-lisp.net like to host these projects? If so, I'd be > interested in moving them over from Sourceforge. Sounds good to me, but what are the licenses? Erik. From mikel at evins.net Tue Mar 23 18:37:21 2004 From: mikel at evins.net (mikel evins) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:37:21 -0800 Subject: [admin] project proposals: Alpaca, Hansa2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1EC72385-7CF9-11D8-98D5-000A958E5B06@evins.net> On Mar 23, 2004, at 10:27 AM, Erik Enge wrote: > > On Mar 23, 2004, at 1:20 PM, mikel evins wrote: > >> Would common-lisp.net like to host these projects? If so, I'd be >> interested in moving them over from Sourceforge. > > Sounds good to me, but what are the licenses? > LLGPL, though MIT or BSD would be just as good, as far as I'm concerned. --me From tsiivola at cc.hut.fi Tue Mar 23 18:47:06 2004 From: tsiivola at cc.hut.fi (Nikodemus Siivola) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 20:47:06 +0200 (EET) Subject: [admin] project proposals: Alpaca, Hansa2 In-Reply-To: <1EC72385-7CF9-11D8-98D5-000A958E5B06@evins.net> References: <1EC72385-7CF9-11D8-98D5-000A958E5B06@evins.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Mar 2004, mikel evins wrote: > LLGPL, though MIT or BSD would be just as good, as far as I'm concerned. We don't have an official policy of preference (except mayb for LLGPL over LGPL), but _personally_ I'm an MIT/BSD/X-style advocate. ;-) Whichever the licence, approved, -- Nikodemus Siivola From mikel at evins.net Tue Mar 23 18:52:54 2004 From: mikel at evins.net (mikel evins) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:52:54 -0800 Subject: [admin] project proposals: Alpaca, Hansa2 In-Reply-To: References: <1EC72385-7CF9-11D8-98D5-000A958E5B06@evins.net> Message-ID: <4ACB958D-7CFB-11D8-98D5-000A958E5B06@evins.net> On Mar 23, 2004, at 10:47 AM, Nikodemus Siivola wrote: > On Tue, 23 Mar 2004, mikel evins wrote: > >> LLGPL, though MIT or BSD would be just as good, as far as I'm >> concerned. > > We don't have an official policy of preference (except mayb for LLGPL > over > LGPL), but _personally_ I'm an MIT/BSD/X-style advocate. ;-) > > Whichever the licence, approved, > > -- Nikodemus Siivola > Cool; I'll move them soon. --me ---------- "[W]e were after the C++ programmers. We managed to drag a lot of them about halfway to Lisp. Aren't you happy?" [Guy Steele, of Sun Microsystems Labs, about designing Java] From erik at nittin.net Tue Mar 23 18:58:13 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 13:58:13 -0500 Subject: [admin] project proposals: Alpaca, Hansa2 In-Reply-To: <4ACB958D-7CFB-11D8-98D5-000A958E5B06@evins.net> References: <1EC72385-7CF9-11D8-98D5-000A958E5B06@evins.net> <4ACB958D-7CFB-11D8-98D5-000A958E5B06@evins.net> Message-ID: <0954D06E-7CFC-11D8-A1C2-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> On Mar 23, 2004, at 1:52 PM, mikel evins wrote: > Cool; I'll move them soon. As soon as Mommer gives his aye I'll create the projects and send you the details. Erik. From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de Tue Mar 23 21:23:43 2004 From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 22:23:43 +0100 Subject: [admin] project proposals: Alpaca, Hansa2 In-Reply-To: <0954D06E-7CFC-11D8-A1C2-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> References: <1EC72385-7CF9-11D8-98D5-000A958E5B06@evins.net> <4ACB958D-7CFB-11D8-98D5-000A958E5B06@evins.net> <0954D06E-7CFC-11D8-A1C2-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> Message-ID: Erik Enge writes: > On Mar 23, 2004, at 1:52 PM, mikel evins wrote: > > > Cool; I'll move them soon. > > As soon as Mommer gives his aye I'll create the projects and send you > the details. Here we go: aye! Regards, Mario. From tsiivola at cc.hut.fi Tue Mar 23 18:29:16 2004 From: tsiivola at cc.hut.fi (Nikodemus Siivola) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 20:29:16 +0200 (EET) Subject: [admin] project proposals: Alpaca, Hansa2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Alpaca and Hansa2 are both written in Common Lisp. > > Would common-lisp.net like to host these projects? If so, I'd be > interested in moving them over from Sourceforge. Pending license information, I approve. Cheers, -- Nikodemus From root at common-lisp.net Wed Mar 24 23:03:31 2004 From: root at common-lisp.net (root) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 18:03:31 -0500 Subject: [admin] added alpaca; owned by mevins Message-ID: Add successful at 2004.03.24.18.03. From root at common-lisp.net Wed Mar 24 23:04:51 2004 From: root at common-lisp.net (root) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 18:04:51 -0500 Subject: [admin] added hansa2; owned by mevins Message-ID: Add successful at 2004.03.24.18.04. From edi at agharta.de Sun Mar 28 23:05:48 2004 From: edi at agharta.de (Edi Weitz) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 01:05:48 +0200 Subject: [admin] Project application: TBNL Message-ID: Hi! I'd like to apply for another project. Its name will be TBNL. It's yet another web framework (based on mod_lisp and cl-modlisp). It will be released under a BSD license. Like with my other projects I will mainly use your mailing lists but it is likely that in the near future there'll be at least one other developer so we might need CVS as well. Thanks in advance, Edi. From tsiivola at cc.hut.fi Mon Mar 29 05:44:55 2004 From: tsiivola at cc.hut.fi (Nikodemus Siivola) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 08:44:55 +0300 (EEST) Subject: [admin] Project application: TBNL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Mar 2004, Edi Weitz wrote: > I'd like to apply for another project. Its name will be TBNL. It's yet > another web framework (based on mod_lisp and cl-modlisp). It will be > released under a BSD license. Like with my other projects I will Approved, -- Nikodemus Siivola From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de Tue Mar 30 07:47:19 2004 From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 09:47:19 +0200 Subject: [admin] Project application: TBNL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Edi Weitz writes: > Hi! > > I'd like to apply for another project. Its name will be TBNL. It's yet > another web framework (based on mod_lisp and cl-modlisp). It will be > released under a BSD license. Like with my other projects I will > mainly use your mailing lists but it is likely that in the near future > there'll be at least one other developer so we might need CVS as well. > > Thanks in advance, > Edi. Approved! Regards, Mario. From root at common-lisp.net Tue Mar 30 14:06:18 2004 From: root at common-lisp.net (root) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 09:06:18 -0500 Subject: [admin] added tbnl; owned by eweitz Message-ID: Add successful at 2004.03.30.09.06. From christian at defun.dk Wed Mar 31 19:26:07 2004 From: christian at defun.dk (Christian Lynbech) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 21:26:07 +0200 Subject: [admin] maillist administration Message-ID: <87y8pgx1gw.fsf@baguette.defun.dk> I am unsure on how to access the maillist administrators interface. I assume that I, as cparse administrator, is set up as administrator also for the cparse mailinglists. I have tried giving my UNIX account password but authorization keeps failing. Am I supposed to know the password from some information available somewhere, or could somebody reset the pasword for me? ------------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Christian Lynbech | christian #\@ defun #\. dk ------------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Hit the philistines three times over the head with the Elisp reference manual. - petonic at hal.com (Michael A. Petonic) From erik at nittin.net Wed Mar 31 20:28:06 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 15:28:06 -0500 Subject: [admin] maillist administration In-Reply-To: <87y8pgx1gw.fsf@baguette.defun.dk> References: <87y8pgx1gw.fsf@baguette.defun.dk> Message-ID: On Mar 31, 2004, at 2:26 PM, Christian Lynbech wrote: > I am unsure on how to access the maillist administrators interface. When they were created you should've received some emails with the password in them. Did you get those emalis? Erik.