From nikodemus at random-state.net  Wed Oct  1 08:59:33 2003
From: nikodemus at random-state.net (Nikodemus Siivola)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:59:33 +0300
Subject: [Admin] Eclipse application
Message-ID: <20031001085933.GA661@random-state.net>

I definitely approve of the Eclipse project's application.

I feel compelled to point out your choise of license, however. 

Nothing wrong with GPL, but most Lisp projects prefer MIT/BSD-style
for various reasons. For example, simpler interoperability between
libraries, or a conscious choise to promote Lisp over other languages,
or preferring of free-as-gift over free-as-fsf-defines-it.

Is GPL a deliberate and premeditated choise, or have you adopted it
"by default"? If the former then everything is ok, but if latter
then I urge you to reconsider.

But, like I said, I approve regardless.

Cheers,

 -- Nikodemus



From erik at nittin.net  Wed Oct  1 13:38:15 2003
From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 09:38:15 -0400
Subject: [Admin] Eclipse application
In-Reply-To: <20031001085933.GA661@random-state.net> (Nikodemus Siivola's
	message of "Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:59:33 +0300")
References: <20031001085933.GA661@random-state.net>
Message-ID: <87r81xnkmw.fsf@nittin.net>

Nikodemus Siivola <nikodemus at random-state.net> writes:

> But, like I said, I approve regardless.

Project added.  Let me know if there are questions, Iban.
http://common-lisp.net/project-intro.html and
http://common-lisp.net/faq.html should explain most of them.

Erik.



From hatchond at labri.fr  Wed Oct  1 14:16:10 2003
From: hatchond at labri.fr (Iban Hatchondo)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 16:16:10 +0200
Subject: [Admin] Re: Eclipse application
In-Reply-To: <20031001085933.GA661@random-state.net>
References: <20031001085933.GA661@random-state.net>
Message-ID: <3F7AE1AA.3060301@labri.fr>

Nikodemus Siivola wrote:
> I definitely approve of the Eclipse project's application.
> 
> I feel compelled to point out your choise of license, however. 
> 
> Nothing wrong with GPL, but most Lisp projects prefer MIT/BSD-style
> for various reasons. For example, simpler interoperability between
> libraries, or a conscious choise to promote Lisp over other languages,
> or preferring of free-as-gift over free-as-fsf-defines-it.
> 
> Is GPL a deliberate and premeditated choise, or have you adopted it
> "by default"? If the former then everything is ok, but if latter
> then I urge you to reconsider.

I must confess that I took a long time reading almost everything on the 
BSD and GPL licence couple of years ago. But as far as I remember I 
choose the GPL because I was prefering the free-as-fsf-defines-it for an 
application like a window manager, that could be (if we are lucky) 
distribute with some linux distro on something like this. More over a 
window manager is not a really inovating application and almost all 
"algorithm" and tricky stuff are well known. So I'm not too worried for 
the the free-as-gift thing :o). About the "or a conscious choise to 
promote Lisp over other languages" I also think that using a GPL licence 
  sometimes could be a good idea:
  people that would like to be inspired or integrate would be forced to 
put the GPL desclaimer about your Lisp stuff and that way would promote 
the langage as well ?

I have a netbsd maintainer at work and I already had such discussions 
(that can be very long :o). What I retain is that we NEED all those 
different license and as you point: it is important to correctly and 
know why we are choosing one or an ohter.

Best regards,
Iban.




From root at common-lisp.net  Wed Oct  1 13:20:59 2003
From: root at common-lisp.net (root)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 09:20:59 -0400
Subject: [Admin] added eclipse; owned by ihatchondo
Message-ID: <E1A4guZ-0008EV-00@common-lisp.net>

Add successful at 2003.10.01.09.20.



From nikodemus at random-state.net  Tue Oct 14 06:10:08 2003
From: nikodemus at random-state.net (Nikodemus Siivola)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:10:08 +0300
Subject: [Admin] New project: Osicat
Message-ID: <20031014061008.GA857@random-state.net>

I'm applying for project hosting for Osicat:

Osicat is a lightweight operating system interface for Common Lisp. It
is intended to augment the facilities provided by CL on POSIX-like
platforms, but does not try to provide a comprehensive API.

Features in 0.1:

 * Directory iteration and deletion
 * Environment variables
 * Symbolic links
 * File permissions
 * File kind (regular, directory, pipe, etc.) identification

Osicat is under MIT-style licence and relies on UFFI for foreign
bindings.

The current version is at:

 http://random-state.net/files/osicat_0.1.tar.gz

Cheers,

 -- Nikodemus
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From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de  Tue Oct 14 07:27:04 2003
From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:27:04 +0200
Subject: [Admin] New project: Osicat
In-Reply-To: <20031014061008.GA857@random-state.net>
References: <20031014061008.GA857@random-state.net>
Message-ID: <fzr81gffef.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>


I Approve.

I have a few questions, though: How portable is it? Some of the stuff
sounds familiar to me. I know that most lisps have an environment
variable facility, and also some functionality to deal with directory
deletion/creation. What are the differences to what PORT (from cclan)
offers?

Regards,
        Mario.

Nikodemus Siivola <nikodemus at random-state.net> writes:
> I'm applying for project hosting for Osicat:
> 
> Osicat is a lightweight operating system interface for Common Lisp. It
> is intended to augment the facilities provided by CL on POSIX-like
> platforms, but does not try to provide a comprehensive API.
> 
> Features in 0.1:
> 
>  * Directory iteration and deletion
>  * Environment variables
>  * Symbolic links
>  * File permissions
>  * File kind (regular, directory, pipe, etc.) identification
> 
> Osicat is under MIT-style licence and relies on UFFI for foreign
> bindings.
> 
> The current version is at:
> 
>  http://random-state.net/files/osicat_0.1.tar.gz
> 
> Cheers,
> 
>  -- Nikodemus
> _______________________________________________
> Admin mailing list
> Admin at common-lisp.net
> http://common-lisp.net/mailman/listinfo/admin




From nikodemus at random-state.net  Tue Oct 14 13:59:00 2003
From: nikodemus at random-state.net (Nikodemus Siivola)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:59:00 +0300
Subject: [Admin] New project: Osicat
In-Reply-To: <fzr81gffef.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
References: <20031014061008.GA857@random-state.net>
	<fzr81gffef.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
Message-ID: <20031014135900.GB857@random-state.net>

On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 09:27:04AM +0200, Mario Mommer wrote:

> How portable is it? 

Fairly. On the lisp side UFFI is enough, plus sane NAMESTRING. Any
lisp that doesn't return a namestring understandable to the OS
deserves to lose.

On the OS-side a standard libc + gcc is enough. 

> Some of the stuff sounds familiar to me. I know that most lisps have
> an environment variable facility, and also some functionality to
> deal with directory deletion/creation.

Correct. ...but since i'm not relying on the host-lisp's features the
functionality should work across implementations.

Also, I dare to claim my interface is nicer than what average lisp offers:

Example:

;; Make *.sh in SBCL_HOME executable
(with-directory-iterator (next (environment-variable 'sbcl_home))
   (loop for entry = (next)
         while entry
         do (when (equal "sh" (pathaname-type entry))
              (pushnew 'user-exec (file-permissions entry)))))

> What are the differences to what PORT (from cclan) offers?

PORT tries to offer portablity between the functionality offered by
various lisps, and is GPL. Osicat bases functionality on portable
foreign interface and is MIT-licensed.

PORT mimics the native functions in interface (eg. GETENV), Osicat
offers a lispier interface (eg. ENVIRONMENT-VARIABLE).

PORT target a wide array of functionality, Osicat has a narrower
focus: commonly needed operating system functionality not accessible
via ANSI CL.

Good questions!

Cheers,

 -- Nikodemus
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From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de  Tue Oct 14 14:25:55 2003
From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:25:55 +0200
Subject: [Admin] New project: Osicat
In-Reply-To: <20031014135900.GB857@random-state.net>
References: <20031014061008.GA857@random-state.net>
	<fzr81gffef.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
	<20031014135900.GB857@random-state.net>
Message-ID: <fzd6cz28wc.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>

Nikodemus Siivola <nikodemus at random-state.net> writes:
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 09:27:04AM +0200, Mario Mommer wrote:
> 
> > How portable is it? 
> 
> Fairly. On the lisp side UFFI is enough, plus sane NAMESTRING. Any
> lisp that doesn't return a namestring understandable to the OS
> deserves to lose.

Indeed! :-)

> > Some of the stuff sounds familiar to me. I know that most lisps have
> > an environment variable facility, and also some functionality to
> > deal with directory deletion/creation.
> 
> Correct. ...but since i'm not relying on the host-lisp's features the
> functionality should work across implementations.

(I'm not sure this belongs on this list, but) If you change an
environment variable, how does the host Lisp know? :-)

> Also, I dare to claim my interface is nicer than what average lisp offers:
> 
> Example:
> 
> ;; Make *.sh in SBCL_HOME executable
> (with-directory-iterator (next (environment-variable 'sbcl_home))
>    (loop for entry = (next)
>          while entry
>          do (when (equal "sh" (pathaname-type entry))
>               (pushnew 'user-exec (file-permissions entry)))))

Looks sweet, certainly.

> > What are the differences to what PORT (from cclan) offers?
> 
> PORT tries to offer portablity between the functionality offered by
> various lisps, and is GPL. Osicat bases functionality on portable
> foreign interface and is MIT-licensed.

Well, PORT is LGPL which for some is allmost the same, but, fair
enough.

> Good questions!

You're wellcome :-)

Regards,
        Mario.




From nikodemus at random-state.net  Tue Oct 14 19:19:29 2003
From: nikodemus at random-state.net (Nikodemus Siivola)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:19:29 +0300
Subject: [Admin] New project: Osicat
In-Reply-To: <fzd6cz28wc.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
References: <20031014061008.GA857@random-state.net>
	<fzr81gffef.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
	<20031014135900.GB857@random-state.net>
	<fzd6cz28wc.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
Message-ID: <20031014191929.GC857@random-state.net>

On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 04:25:55PM +0200, Mario Mommer wrote:

> (I'm not sure this belongs on this list, but) If you change an
> environment variable, how does the host Lisp know? :-)

Probably doesn't but since our signal to noise ratio is not yet in
danger: 

If you change an environment variable, the host lisp will not know --
not until it accesses the selfsame variable that is. But when it does,
the change will naturally be visible to it as well.

Cheers,

 -- Nikodemus



From erik at nittin.net  Wed Oct 15 13:21:31 2003
From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:21:31 -0400
Subject: [Admin] New project: Osicat
In-Reply-To: <20031014061008.GA857@random-state.net> (Nikodemus Siivola's
	message of "Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:10:08 +0300")
References: <20031014061008.GA857@random-state.net>
Message-ID: <87oewihc10.fsf@nittin.net>

Nikodemus Siivola <nikodemus at random-state.net> writes:

> I'm applying for project hosting for Osicat:

Looks good, I'll go ahead and add the project.

Erik.



From luke at bluetail.com  Tue Oct 14 23:42:09 2003
From: luke at bluetail.com (Luke Gorrie)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:42:09 -0000
Subject: [Admin] Hosting SLIME
Message-ID: <lhhe2b75dx.fsf@dodo.bluetail.com>

Hi guys,

Can we please host SLIME at common-lisp.net?

Sourceforge hosting has caused us no end of grief, as narrated by Dan
at http://ww.telent.net/diary/. I had wanted to get hosting at a big
site for reliability (hah!), but that didn't work out so I'd love to
move it to a smaller non-bureaucratic site like yours if that's okay.

The project bio is:

  SLIME: the Superior Lisp Interaction Mode for Emacs

  Prefered project name 'slime'.

  An Emacs mode for Common Lisp programming with ILISP-like
  extensions. Communicates with a Lisp process over a socket, and
  currently supports CMUCL, OpenMCL, and SBCL.

  Members:

    Me. Preferred unix name 'luke', else 'lukeg'.
    Helmut Eller. His sourceforge username is 'ellerh'.
    [The ones below are on #lisp]
    James Bielman / jamesjb.
    Dan Barlow / dan_b.
    Eric Marsden / M-x.

Thanks in advance. _God_ it will feel good to have CVS again.

Cheers,
Luke




From nikodemus at random-state.net  Wed Oct 15 05:56:07 2003
From: nikodemus at random-state.net (Nikodemus Siivola)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:56:07 +0300
Subject: [Admin] Hosting SLIME
In-Reply-To: <lhhe2b75dx.fsf@dodo.bluetail.com>
References: <lhhe2b75dx.fsf@dodo.bluetail.com>
Message-ID: <20031015055607.GA640@random-state.net>

On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 01:42:50AM +0200, Luke Gorrie wrote:

>     Me. Preferred unix name 'luke', else 'lukeg'.
>     Helmut Eller. His sourceforge username is 'ellerh'.
>     [The ones below are on #lisp]
>     James Bielman / jamesjb.
>     Dan Barlow / dan_b.
>     Eric Marsden / M-x.

Heh, unfortunately our box-dictator has a strict policy of
[first-letter-of-first-name][last-name], so it will be lgorrie &co. ;)

A note to others: Luke discusses the lisensing in detail in:

 http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/savannah-hackers/2003-10/msg00330.html

Everything seems to be in perfect order. I approve with alacrity. ;)

Cheers,

 -- Nikodemus
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From luke at member.fsf.org  Wed Oct 15 06:14:18 2003
From: luke at member.fsf.org (Luke Gorrie)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 06:14:18 -0000
Subject: [Admin] Hosting SLIME
In-Reply-To: <20031015055607.GA640@random-state.net>
References: <lhhe2b75dx.fsf@dodo.bluetail.com>
	<20031015055607.GA640@random-state.net>
Message-ID: <lhzng3kowp.fsf@dodo.bluetail.com>

Nikodemus Siivola <nikodemus at random-state.net> writes:

> On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 01:42:50AM +0200, Luke Gorrie wrote:
> 
> >     Me. Preferred unix name 'luke', else 'lukeg'.
> >     Helmut Eller. His sourceforge username is 'ellerh'.
> >     [The ones below are on #lisp]
> >     James Bielman / jamesjb.
> >     Dan Barlow / dan_b.
> >     Eric Marsden / M-x.
> 
> Heh, unfortunately our box-dictator has a strict policy of
> [first-letter-of-first-name][last-name], so it will be lgorrie &co. ;)

Luke Gorrie is just my nickname. My real name is Linus Uke. ;-)

(But no worries :-))

Cheers,
Linus




From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de  Wed Oct 15 07:32:05 2003
From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:32:05 +0200
Subject: [Admin] Hosting SLIME
In-Reply-To: <20031015055607.GA640@random-state.net>
References: <lhhe2b75dx.fsf@dodo.bluetail.com>
	<20031015055607.GA640@random-state.net>
Message-ID: <fzn0c3ufbe.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>


Nikodemus Siivola <nikodemus at random-state.net> writes:
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 01:42:50AM +0200, Luke Gorrie wrote:
> 
> >     Me. Preferred unix name 'luke', else 'lukeg'.
> >     Helmut Eller. His sourceforge username is 'ellerh'.
> >     [The ones below are on #lisp]
> >     James Bielman / jamesjb.
> >     Dan Barlow / dan_b.
> >     Eric Marsden / M-x.
> 
> Heh, unfortunately our box-dictator has a strict policy of
> [first-letter-of-first-name][last-name], so it will be lgorrie &co. ;)

I didn't know that!

> A note to others: Luke discusses the lisensing in detail in:
> 
>  http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/savannah-hackers/2003-10/msg00330.html

A good mix. :-)

> Everything seems to be in perfect order. I approve with alacrity. ;)

Me too.

Regards,
        Mario.




From root at common-lisp.net  Wed Oct 15 13:21:24 2003
From: root at common-lisp.net (root)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:21:24 -0400
Subject: [Admin] added osicat; owned by nsiivola
Message-ID: <E1A9lae-0004bM-00@common-lisp.net>

Add successful at 2003.10.15.09.21.



From root at common-lisp.net  Wed Oct 15 13:26:01 2003
From: root at common-lisp.net (root)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:26:01 -0400
Subject: [Admin] added slime; owned by lgorrie
Message-ID: <E1A9lf7-0005QS-00@common-lisp.net>

Add successful at 2003.10.15.09.26.



From anthony at ventimiglia.org  Wed Oct 15 14:58:40 2003
From: anthony at ventimiglia.org (anthony at ventimiglia.org)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:58:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Admin] ViewCVS not set up for CLHP
Message-ID: <20031015145840.166488C010@afghan.dogpound>

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I can't access viewcvs for CLHP:


http://common-lisp.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/?cvsroot=clhp

it prints the message :

Repository cvsroot clhp not configured in viewcvs.conf

Can you fix this?
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juSzMZ8lXk8PI2rCZEVtraJx9ZEiZo+jULWRWVkSg5Lhkqp2hIjQ7HzwgO7KelDG
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From erik at nittin.net  Wed Oct 15 15:24:50 2003
From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:24:50 -0400
Subject: [Admin] ViewCVS not set up for CLHP
In-Reply-To: <20031015145840.166488C010@afghan.dogpound>
	(anthony@ventimiglia.org's
	message of "Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:58:40 -0400 (EDT)")
References: <20031015145840.166488C010@afghan.dogpound>
Message-ID: <87u16awmkd.fsf@nittin.net>

<anthony at ventimiglia.org> writes:

> Can you fix this?

Sorry about that.  Fixed.

Erik.



From erik at nittin.net  Thu Oct 16 19:56:42 2003
From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:56:42 -0400
Subject: [Admin] Hosting request for 'lisppaste'
Message-ID: <87smltlzwl.fsf@nittin.net>

I'm applying for Brian Mastenbrook (anything to make it easier for our
customers ;-) for project 'lisppaste'.  It's under the BSD license.

lisppaste is an IRC "bot" that says onto an IRC channel what users paste
into a website.  I'm sure you've all seen it on #lisp on freenode.net.
I've also offered to Brian that we can install araneida + mod_proxy so
that the #lisp lisppaste is actually hosted on common-lisp.net.

I approve!  :-)

Erik.



From nikodemus at random-state.net  Thu Oct 16 20:39:37 2003
From: nikodemus at random-state.net (Nikodemus Siivola)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 23:39:37 +0300
Subject: [Admin] Hosting request for 'lisppaste'
In-Reply-To: <87smltlzwl.fsf@nittin.net>
References: <87smltlzwl.fsf@nittin.net>
Message-ID: <20031016203936.GB1589@random-state.net>

On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 03:56:42PM -0400, Erik Enge wrote:

> I'm applying for Brian Mastenbrook (anything to make it easier for our
> customers ;-) for project 'lisppaste'.  It's under the BSD license.

Groovy. I aproved!

Cheers,

 -- Nikodemus
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From m_mommer at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 16 21:40:09 2003
From: m_mommer at yahoo.com (Mario S. Mommer)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:40:09 -0000
Subject: [Admin] Hosting request for 'lisppaste'
References: <87smltlzwl.fsf@nittin.net>
	<mailman.41.1066337644.23420.admin@common-lisp.net>
Message-ID: <fzr81cg919.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>

Nikodemus Siivola <nikodemus at random-state.net> writes:

> On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 03:56:42PM -0400, Erik Enge wrote:
> 
> > I'm applying for Brian Mastenbrook (anything to make it easier for our
> > customers ;-) for project 'lisppaste'.  It's under the BSD license.
> 
> Groovy. I aproved!

Fine with me... :-)


From root at common-lisp.net  Fri Oct 17 01:44:41 2003
From: root at common-lisp.net (root)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:44:41 -0400
Subject: [Admin] added lisppaste; owned by bmastenbrook
Message-ID: <E1AAJfV-0002NP-00@common-lisp.net>

Add successful at 2003.10.16.21.44.



From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de  Wed Oct 22 06:46:12 2003
From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:46:12 +0200
Subject: [admin] Hosting for GTKlisp
Message-ID: <fzn0btwz0r.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>


Hi,

I wonder if it would be possible to host the project "GTKlisp" (1),
stable and sturdy GTK bindings for Common Lisp, at common-lisp.net.

The main goal of the project is to provide bindings for the GTK
toolkit which feel as native as possible to the Common Lisp
programmer. That means, type safety, comprehensive support for garbage
collection, and error recovery. It should work out of the box with
cmucl, asdf, and of course gtk-2.2 with pkgconfig.

At the moment it covers some basic functionality, but the
typechecking, GC and error recovery support is working. Adding new
functionality should be almost trivial. Development is focused on
ensuring sustainable development, portability, and in identifying
techniques which could be applied to other toolkits or to bindings to
other libraries.

The licence is BSD.

Regards,
        Mario S. Mommer

(1) Alternative name sugestions are welcome.




From nikodemus at random-state.net  Wed Oct 22 22:02:04 2003
From: nikodemus at random-state.net (Nikodemus Siivola)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 01:02:04 +0300
Subject: [admin] Hosting for GTKlisp
In-Reply-To: <fzn0btwz0r.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
References: <fzn0btwz0r.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
Message-ID: <20031022220204.GA660@random-state.net>

On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 08:46:12AM +0200, Mario Mommer wrote:

> I wonder if it would be possible to host the project "GTKlisp" (1),
> stable and sturdy GTK bindings for Common Lisp, at common-lisp.net.

*approves* ;)

This sounds very promising. How does it work? (From your comments I'm
getting the impression that over a socket -- but what does it talk to?
Have you written a custom server to talk to, or what?)

Cheers,

 -- Nikodemus
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From nikodemus at random-state.net  Wed Oct 22 22:15:32 2003
From: nikodemus at random-state.net (Nikodemus Siivola)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 01:15:32 +0300
Subject: [admin] Hosting for GTKlisp
In-Reply-To: <20031022220204.GA660@random-state.net>
References: <fzn0btwz0r.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
	<20031022220204.GA660@random-state.net>
Message-ID: <20031022221532.GB660@random-state.net>

On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 01:02:04AM +0300, Nikodemus Siivola wrote:

> This sounds very promising. How does it work? (From your comments I'm
> getting the impression that over a socket -- but what does it talk to?
> Have you written a custom server to talk to, or what?)

Uh oh. Just reread your comments and saw that you didn't go the socket
route. ;)

Cheers,

 -- Nikodemus
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From eenge at prium.net  Wed Oct 22 11:57:36 2003
From: eenge at prium.net (Erik Enge)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 07:57:36 -0400
Subject: [admin] Hosting for GTKlisp
In-Reply-To: <mailman.165.1066805244.23420.admin@common-lisp.net> (Mario
	Mommer's message of "Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:46:12 +0200")
References: <mailman.165.1066805244.23420.admin@common-lisp.net>
Message-ID: <877k2xa3in.fsf@prium.net>

Mario Mommer <mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de> writes:

> I wonder if it would be possible to host the project "GTKlisp" (1),
> stable and sturdy GTK bindings for Common Lisp, at common-lisp.net.

Sounds good to me.  Are you the owner of this project?

I assume you have seen <http://www.cliki.net/cl-gtk>?  Out of curiosity,
how does this project differ from those mentioned on that page?

Erik.




From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de  Wed Oct 22 13:23:46 2003
From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:23:46 +0200
Subject: [admin] Hosting for GTKlisp
In-Reply-To: <877k2xa3in.fsf@prium.net>
References: <mailman.165.1066805244.23420.admin@common-lisp.net>
	<877k2xa3in.fsf@prium.net>
Message-ID: <fzu161xv6l.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>

Erik Enge <eenge at prium.net> writes:
> Mario Mommer <mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de> writes:
> 
> > I wonder if it would be possible to host the project "GTKlisp" (1),
> > stable and sturdy GTK bindings for Common Lisp, at common-lisp.net.
> 
> Sounds good to me.  Are you the owner of this project?

Yes.

> I assume you have seen <http://www.cliki.net/cl-gtk>?  Out of curiosity,
> how does this project differ from those mentioned on that page?

The difference to cl-gtk is that it does not work over a socket; it is
the real thing through ffi. I never liked the socket stuff, among
other things because you end up programming in C.

The difference from clg is, for one, that it is easy to
install. the shortest road to hello world is

* (asdf:operate 'asdf:load-op 'gtklisp-examples)
;; [big snip]

* (hello-world)

Then, clg is licenced under the LGPL, and this is under the BSD
"sans-advertising" licence.

I am sure there are other differences, but quite frankly, as nobody
seems to recomend clg, and since it looks abandoned, i decided to
write my own without really looking.  I wanted to learn about the
issues, too, since free and robust toolkit bindings seem scarce.

There is also almost no C code in GTKlisp (only 1 line, which does
nothing. I need it for loading the libraries). It is a full lisp
solution. It should be possible to extend without much hassle.

Regards,
        Mario.




From eenge at prium.net  Thu Oct 23 11:43:42 2003
From: eenge at prium.net (Erik Enge)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:43:42 -0400
Subject: [admin] Hosting for GTKlisp
In-Reply-To: <mailman.12.1066860977.3422.admin@common-lisp.net> (Nikodemus
	Siivola's message of "Thu, 23 Oct 2003 01:02:04 +0300")
References: <fzn0btwz0r.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
	<mailman.12.1066860977.3422.admin@common-lisp.net>
Message-ID: <877k2w41sh.fsf@prium.net>

Nikodemus Siivola <nikodemus at random-state.net> writes:

> On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 08:46:12AM +0200, Mario Mommer wrote:
>
>> I wonder if it would be possible to host the project "GTKlisp" (1),
>> stable and sturdy GTK bindings for Common Lisp, at common-lisp.net.
>
> *approves* ;)

Ok, what about the name?  "GTKlisp" makes me think of a Lisp
implementation of GTK.  cl-gtk would really be the best name, I suppose.
What about just gtk?  If you want "GTKlisp" can I spell it "gtklisp" or
do you want the crazycaps in there?

Erik.



From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de  Thu Oct 23 13:39:08 2003
From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:39:08 +0200
Subject: [admin] Hosting for GTKlisp
References: <fzn0btwz0r.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
	<mailman.12.1066860977.3422.admin@common-lisp.net>
	<877k2w41sh.fsf@prium.net>
Message-ID: <fz1xt4vzsz.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>

Erik Enge <eenge at prium.net> writes:
> Nikodemus Siivola <nikodemus at random-state.net> writes:
> 
> > On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 08:46:12AM +0200, Mario Mommer wrote:
> >
> >> I wonder if it would be possible to host the project "GTKlisp" (1),
> >> stable and sturdy GTK bindings for Common Lisp, at common-lisp.net.
> >
> > *approves* ;)
> 
> Ok, what about the name?  "GTKlisp" makes me think of a Lisp
> implementation of GTK.

My other ideas were

GTKat ;; A silly pun.

lgtk

clgtk ;; people could confuse it with cl-gtk

gtkcl ;; what's sbcl then?

gtkl

gtknexus

gtk.cl

gtk.lisp

gtkclb ;; gtk common lisp bindings

;; I think CVS would barf on these:

(GTK)

:gtk

;; And then there is this one.

gtk_lisp_bindingswith_parens ;; another pun. It might even be funny
                              ;; if you ever programmed with gtk :-)

could be abbreviated as glbwp.

> cl-gtk would really be the best name, I suppose.

I would have used exactly this one, but it is already taken :-(

> What about just gtk?

That would be confusing. Besides, I am not sure my bindings will end
up being the only one alive.

>  If you want "GTKlisp" can I spell it "gtklisp" or
> do you want the crazycaps in there?

To be honest, the naming questions have delayed me asking for
hosting. I really don't know wat's the best. I guess that after the
the name has converged, the caps aren't important.

Regards,
        Mario




From nikodemus at random-state.net  Thu Oct 23 15:19:38 2003
From: nikodemus at random-state.net (Nikodemus Siivola)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:19:38 +0300
Subject: [admin] Hosting for GTKlisp
In-Reply-To: <fz1xt4vzsz.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
References: <fzn0btwz0r.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
	<mailman.12.1066860977.3422.admin@common-lisp.net>
	<877k2w41sh.fsf@prium.net>
	<fz1xt4vzsz.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
Message-ID: <20031023151937.GA1662@random-state.net>

On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 03:39:08PM +0200, Mario Mommer wrote:

> gtk.lisp

Of the listed ones I like this one the best, but gtk-lisp even more. 

Rationale: if the project is gtk.lisp, should I REQUIRE :gtk, or
gtk.lisp? With gtk-lips it's "obvious".

Cheers,

 -- Nikodemus

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From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de  Thu Oct 23 17:32:33 2003
From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:32:33 +0200
Subject: [admin] Hosting for GTKlisp
In-Reply-To: <20031023151937.GA1662@random-state.net>
References: <fzn0btwz0r.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
	<mailman.12.1066860977.3422.admin@common-lisp.net>
	<877k2w41sh.fsf@prium.net>
	<fz1xt4vzsz.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
	<20031023151937.GA1662@random-state.net>
Message-ID: <fz3cdjvozy.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>

Nikodemus Siivola <nikodemus at random-state.net> writes:
> On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 03:39:08PM +0200, Mario Mommer wrote:
> 
> > gtk.lisp
> 
> Of the listed ones I like this one the best, but gtk-lisp even more. 

Fair enough. The hyphen has something of a binding too.

Let it be named gtk-lisp.

> Rationale: if the project is gtk.lisp, should I REQUIRE :gtk, or
> gtk.lisp? With gtk-lips it's "obvious".

REQUIRE?? Wasn't that deprecated? ;)

Regards,
        Mario.




From nikodemus at random-state.net  Thu Oct 23 18:18:38 2003
From: nikodemus at random-state.net (Nikodemus Siivola)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:18:38 +0300
Subject: [admin] Hosting for GTKlisp
In-Reply-To: <fz3cdjvozy.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
References: <fzn0btwz0r.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
	<mailman.12.1066860977.3422.admin@common-lisp.net>
	<877k2w41sh.fsf@prium.net>
	<fz1xt4vzsz.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
	<20031023151937.GA1662@random-state.net>
	<fz3cdjvozy.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
Message-ID: <20031023181838.GA2158@random-state.net>

On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 07:32:33PM +0200, Mario Mommer wrote:

> REQUIRE?? Wasn't that deprecated? ;)

Depracated, smepracated. No-one should rely on it's portablity, but I
for one like a certain amount of dwim in my programming environments,
thank you. ;)

Well, is suppose it's more depracated than remove-if-not &co, which
are as good as undepracated.

Cheers,

 -- Nikodemus



From root at common-lisp.net  Thu Oct 23 18:16:31 2003
From: root at common-lisp.net (root)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:16:31 -0400
Subject: [admin] added gtk-lisp; owned by mmommer
Message-ID: <E1ACk0d-0006pp-00@common-lisp.net>

Add successful at 2003.10.23.14.16.



From root at common-lisp.net  Thu Oct 23 20:29:25 2003
From: root at common-lisp.net (root)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:29:25 -0400
Subject: [admin] added lgtk; owned by mmommer
Message-ID: <E1ACm5F-0001PZ-00@common-lisp.net>

Add successful at 2003.10.23.16.29.



From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de  Fri Oct 24 07:31:39 2003
From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:31:39 +0200
Subject: [admin] added lgtk; owned by mmommer
In-Reply-To: <E1ACm5F-0001PZ-00@common-lisp.net>
References: <E1ACm5F-0001PZ-00@common-lisp.net>
Message-ID: <fzismf2isk.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>

root <root at common-lisp.net> writes:
> Add successful at 2003.10.23.16.29.

This one actually suplants gtk-lisp.

Regards,
        Mario.




From nikodemus at random-state.net  Sun Oct 26 23:38:12 2003
From: nikodemus at random-state.net (Nikodemus Siivola)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 01:38:12 +0200
Subject: [admin] Common-lisp.net http down
Message-ID: <20031026233812.GA4715@random-state.net>

Common-lisp.net has stopped accepting http connection sometime during
sunday. Ftp, cvs, and ssh all work fine.

Oops.

Is it possible that my web-update somehow triggered this? (I doubt it,
but...) Also, unlike "client" projects updating clo/public_html
doesn't affect immediate changes.

Cheers,

 -- Nikodemus

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From eenge at prium.net  Mon Oct 27 13:47:45 2003
From: eenge at prium.net (Erik Enge)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 08:47:45 -0500
Subject: [admin] Common-lisp.net http down
In-Reply-To: <mailman.55.1067212437.3422.admin@common-lisp.net> (Nikodemus
	Siivola's message of "Mon, 27 Oct 2003 01:38:12 +0200")
References: <mailman.55.1067212437.3422.admin@common-lisp.net>
Message-ID: <87r80yiygu.fsf@prium.net>

Nikodemus Siivola <nikodemus at random-state.net> writes:

> Is it possible that my web-update somehow triggered this?

I seriously doubt that but what did you do?  Just uploaded new files?
Shouldn't make apache stop responding.

> Also, unlike "client" projects updating clo/public_html doesn't affect
> immediate changes.

This is true because /project/clo/public_html can not be a symlink to
/var/www (the others are symlinks to /var/www/project/<project-name>
whereas clo is the root).  It takes fifteen minutes before the changes
are propagated.  Is that a real problem?

Erik.



From nikodemus at random-state.net  Mon Oct 27 22:01:43 2003
From: nikodemus at random-state.net (Nikodemus Siivola)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 00:01:43 +0200
Subject: [admin] Common-lisp.net http down
In-Reply-To: <87r80yiygu.fsf@prium.net>
References: <mailman.55.1067212437.3422.admin@common-lisp.net>
	<87r80yiygu.fsf@prium.net>
Message-ID: <20031027220143.GA3359@random-state.net>

On Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 08:47:45AM -0500, Erik Enge wrote:

> I seriously doubt that but what did you do?  Just uploaded new files?
> Shouldn't make apache stop responding.

That's what I though...

> whereas clo is the root).  It takes fifteen minutes before the changes
> are propagated.  Is that a real problem?

No, no proble.

Just that one suspicion I had was that maybe apache tried to serve a
page that was incomplete (being copied), and Something Bad (TM)
happened... sounds rather unlikely, though.

What about making hard links to files in clo/public_html, and adding missing
hard links every fifteen minutes? Has the added benefit form protecting
the pages from accidental deletion.

Cheers,

 -- Nikodemus



From eenge at prium.net  Tue Oct 28 12:31:47 2003
From: eenge at prium.net (Erik Enge)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:31:47 -0500
Subject: [admin] Common-lisp.net http down
In-Reply-To: <mailman.61.1067293056.3422.admin@common-lisp.net> (Nikodemus
	Siivola's message of "Tue, 28 Oct 2003 00:01:43 +0200")
References: <mailman.55.1067212437.3422.admin@common-lisp.net>
	<87r80yiygu.fsf@prium.net>
	<mailman.61.1067293056.3422.admin@common-lisp.net>
Message-ID: <877k2pilvw.fsf@prium.net>

Nikodemus Siivola <nikodemus at random-state.net> writes:

> What about making hard links to files in clo/public_html, and adding
> missing hard links every fifteen minutes? Has the added benefit form
> protecting the pages from accidental deletion.

The files are in CVS anyway so I don't think that's a big problem.  If
you like though, I could symlink the files in clo/public_html to the WWW
root so that your changes appear immediately.

Erik.



From nikodemus at random-state.net  Fri Oct 31 22:16:13 2003
From: nikodemus at random-state.net (Nikodemus Siivola)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 00:16:13 +0200
Subject: [admin] Re: [Clump] Re: Rebel With A Cause
In-Reply-To: <874qxp11nw.fsf@prium.net>
References: <0E75F5B1-0BEC-11D8-AE2C-00039344B8E8@beta9.be>
	<1067637994.22351.6.camel@car> <874qxp11nw.fsf@prium.net>
Message-ID: <20031031221613.GA681@random-state.net>

On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 05:29:39PM -0500, Erik Enge wrote:

> Absolutely!  How about http://common-lisp.net/article/ and a nice index
> of articles+authors there?  Like Eric Marsden pointed out on IRC the

Sounds perfect!

Cheers,

 -- Nikodemus



From eenge at prium.net  Fri Oct 31 23:04:22 2003
From: eenge at prium.net (Erik Enge)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:04:22 -0500
Subject: [admin] Re: [Clump] Re: Rebel With A Cause
In-Reply-To: <mailman.129.1067639527.3422.admin@common-lisp.net> (Nikodemus
	Siivola's message of "Sat, 1 Nov 2003 00:16:13 +0200")
References: <0E75F5B1-0BEC-11D8-AE2C-00039344B8E8@beta9.be>
	<1067637994.22351.6.camel@car> <874qxp11nw.fsf@prium.net>
	<mailman.129.1067639527.3422.admin@common-lisp.net>
Message-ID: <87y8v1ypop.fsf@prium.net>

Nikodemus Siivola <nikodemus at random-state.net> writes:

> On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 05:29:39PM -0500, Erik Enge wrote:
>
>> Absolutely!  How about http://common-lisp.net/article/ and a nice index
>> of articles+authors there?  Like Eric Marsden pointed out on IRC the
>
> Sounds perfect!

How should we do this to make it most convenient for authors to submit
their articles?  How about:

  1) author sends article to admin at common-lisp.net

  2) it is "approved" (just to make sure we don't turn into a
  free-for-all) by the same guys/gals approving projects

  3) author gets CVS write privileges to a CVS article module and
  commits the article.  from then on he/she can work on the article
  directly in common-lisp.net CVS

  4) author, when comfertable with quality of article, runs
  ./publish-article <my-article> and araneida+SBCL takes care of things
  from then on

Sounds good?  Can you think of a better way of doing it?  

Let me know, I'm ready to set everything up this weekend and we can be
ready to start accepting articles Monday.  Someone creative (*caugh*
Miles *caugh*;-) could perhaps make a nice CSS sheet for us (personally,
I like the layout Sven used)?

Erik.



From bmastenb at cs.indiana.edu  Fri Oct 31 23:07:31 2003
From: bmastenb at cs.indiana.edu (Brian Mastenbrook)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:07:31 -0500
Subject: [admin] Re: [Clump] Re: Rebel With A Cause
In-Reply-To: <87y8v1ypop.fsf@prium.net>
References: <0E75F5B1-0BEC-11D8-AE2C-00039344B8E8@beta9.be>
	<1067637994.22351.6.camel@car> <874qxp11nw.fsf@prium.net>
	<mailman.129.1067639527.3422.admin@common-lisp.net>
	<87y8v1ypop.fsf@prium.net>
Message-ID: <018565D0-0BF7-11D8-B891-000A9599AF88@cs.indiana.edu>

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On Oct 31, 2003, at 6:04 PM, Erik Enge wrote:

> How should we do this to make it most convenient for authors to submit
> their articles?  How about:
>
>   1) author sends article to admin at common-lisp.net

I would be willing to hack up a web submission form using araneida.

>
>   2) it is "approved" (just to make sure we don't turn into a
>   free-for-all) by the same guys/gals approving projects

And relevant qualified observers too :-)

>
>   3) author gets CVS write privileges to a CVS article module and
>   commits the article.  from then on he/she can work on the article
>   directly in common-lisp.net CVS
>
>   4) author, when comfertable with quality of article, runs
>   ./publish-article <my-article> and araneida+SBCL takes care of things
>   from then on

As an addition, perhaps part of the article can be a lisp form with the 
title, keywords, and a list of references / relevant URLs that could be 
searched. I could work on this too.

>
> Sounds good?  Can you think of a better way of doing it?
>
> Let me know, I'm ready to set everything up this weekend and we can be
> ready to start accepting articles Monday.  Someone creative (*caugh*
> Miles *caugh*;-) could perhaps make a nice CSS sheet for us 
> (personally,
> I like the layout Sven used)?
>
> Erik.
>
- --
Brian Mastenbrook
bmastenb at cs.indiana.edu
http://cs.indiana.edu/~bmastenb/

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From nikodemus at random-state.net  Fri Oct 31 23:09:08 2003
From: nikodemus at random-state.net (Nikodemus Siivola)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 01:09:08 +0200
Subject: [admin] Re: [Clump] Re: Rebel With A Cause
In-Reply-To: <018565D0-0BF7-11D8-B891-000A9599AF88@cs.indiana.edu>
References: <0E75F5B1-0BEC-11D8-AE2C-00039344B8E8@beta9.be>
	<1067637994.22351.6.camel@car> <874qxp11nw.fsf@prium.net>
	<mailman.129.1067639527.3422.admin@common-lisp.net>
	<87y8v1ypop.fsf@prium.net>
	<018565D0-0BF7-11D8-B891-000A9599AF88@cs.indiana.edu>
Message-ID: <20031031230908.GC681@random-state.net>

On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 06:07:31PM -0500, Brian Mastenbrook wrote:

> As an addition, perhaps part of the article can be a lisp form with the 
> title, keywords, and a list of references / relevant URLs that could be 
> searched. I could work on this too.

Sounds groovy. ;) I'm all for this.

Cheers,

 -- Nikodemus



From nikodemus at random-state.net  Fri Oct 31 23:07:17 2003
From: nikodemus at random-state.net (Nikodemus Siivola)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 01:07:17 +0200
Subject: [admin] Re: [Clump] Re: Rebel With A Cause
In-Reply-To: <87y8v1ypop.fsf@prium.net>
References: <0E75F5B1-0BEC-11D8-AE2C-00039344B8E8@beta9.be>
	<1067637994.22351.6.camel@car> <874qxp11nw.fsf@prium.net>
	<mailman.129.1067639527.3422.admin@common-lisp.net>
	<87y8v1ypop.fsf@prium.net>
Message-ID: <20031031230716.GB681@random-state.net>

>   1) author sends article to admin at common-lisp.net

Alternatively we could appoint someone of Impeccable Taste and Moral
Chracter as an editor(s), and let the submissions go on
editor at common-lisp.net.

No need for us to take all the heat. ;)

>   2) it is "approved" (just to make sure we don't turn into a
>   free-for-all) by the same guys/gals approving projects
> 
>   3) author gets CVS write privileges to a CVS article module and
>   commits the article.  from then on he/she can work on the article
>   directly in common-lisp.net CVS

This I sort of disagree with. I think articles would be better written
in privacy, and published as they stand. Putting them on cl.net cvs is
liable to encourage retroactive editing, which I personally dislike.

>   4) author, when comfertable with quality of article, runs
>   ./publish-article <my-article> and araneida+SBCL takes care of things
>   from then on
>
> Sounds good?  Can you think of a better way of doing it?  

I think I'd prefer just getting article submissions, and then dealing
with them. But I'm not very religious about this issue.

Cheers,

 -- Nikodemus