From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de  Mon Dec  1 16:48:44 2003
From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 17:48:44 +0100
Subject: [admin] Minimal project page & number of mailing lists
In-Reply-To: <20031130154351.GB3646@random-state.net>
References: <878ylygma1.fsf@plato.moon.paoloamoroso.it>
	<87llpyj6he.fsf@nittin.net> <20031130154351.GB3646@random-state.net>
Message-ID: <fzllpwtrf7.fsf_-_@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>

Nikodemus Siivola <nikodemus at random-state.net> writes:
> On Sun, Nov 30, 2003 at 09:06:37AM -0500, Erik Enge wrote:
> 
> > Good point, we shouldn't let this slide.  I've notified the owners of
> > the projects without webpages.  Hopefully they will comply shortly.
> 
> I suggest that we require a paragraph's worth of description from new
> projects -- something that will be automatically put on the project
> index.html.

I think we should provide an absolutely minimal page that people have
to fill in before the project gets on the front page. I propose the
attached one.

Another thing I was wondering about was if the current number of
default mailing lists isn't too high. I think that for most projects
two lists (-cvs and some equivalent of -devel plus -help) is
enough. One can always add more should the need be felt by anyone
involved. Thoughts?

Regards,
        Mario.

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From nikodemus at random-state.net  Mon Dec  1 21:28:36 2003
From: nikodemus at random-state.net (Nikodemus Siivola)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 23:28:36 +0200
Subject: [admin] Minimal project page & number of mailing lists
In-Reply-To: <fzllpwtrf7.fsf_-_@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
References: <878ylygma1.fsf@plato.moon.paoloamoroso.it>
	<87llpyj6he.fsf@nittin.net>
	<20031130154351.GB3646@random-state.net>
	<fzllpwtrf7.fsf_-_@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
Message-ID: <20031201212836.GD704@random-state.net>

On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 05:48:44PM +0100, Mario Mommer wrote:

> default mailing lists isn't too high. I think that for most projects
> two lists (-cvs and some equivalent of -devel plus -help) is
> enough. One can always add more should the need be felt by anyone
> involved. Thoughts?

I pretty much agree, but can live with the current arrangement as
well. If the current setup minimizes administrative pain for Erik,
it's probably worht it. ;)

Cheers,

 -- Nikodemus


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From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de  Mon Dec  1 22:06:32 2003
From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 23:06:32 +0100
Subject: [admin] Minimal project page & number of mailing lists
In-Reply-To: <20031201212836.GD704@random-state.net>
References: <878ylygma1.fsf@plato.moon.paoloamoroso.it>
	<87llpyj6he.fsf@nittin.net> <20031130154351.GB3646@random-state.net>
	<fzllpwtrf7.fsf_-_@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
	<20031201212836.GD704@random-state.net>
Message-ID: <fzsmk4b3br.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>

Nikodemus Siivola <nikodemus at random-state.net> writes:
> On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 05:48:44PM +0100, Mario Mommer wrote:
> 
> > default mailing lists isn't too high. I think that for most projects
> > two lists (-cvs and some equivalent of -devel plus -help) is
> > enough. One can always add more should the need be felt by anyone
> > involved. Thoughts?
> 
> I pretty much agree, but can live with the current arrangement as
> well. If the current setup minimizes administrative pain for Erik,
> it's probably worht it. ;)

Ok, then let's keep it that way.




From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de  Mon Dec  1 22:12:22 2003
From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 23:12:22 +0100
Subject: [admin] Minimal project page & number of mailing lists
In-Reply-To: <fzllpwtrf7.fsf_-_@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
References: <878ylygma1.fsf@plato.moon.paoloamoroso.it>
	<87llpyj6he.fsf@nittin.net> <20031130154351.GB3646@random-state.net>
	<fzllpwtrf7.fsf_-_@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
Message-ID: <fzoeusb321.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>

Mario Mommer <mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de> writes:
> Nikodemus Siivola <nikodemus at random-state.net> writes:
> > On Sun, Nov 30, 2003 at 09:06:37AM -0500, Erik Enge wrote:
> > 
> > > Good point, we shouldn't let this slide.  I've notified the owners of
> > > the projects without webpages.  Hopefully they will comply shortly.
> > 
> > I suggest that we require a paragraph's worth of description from new
> > projects -- something that will be automatically put on the project
> > index.html.
> 
> I think we should provide an absolutely minimal page that people have
> to fill in before the project gets on the front page. I propose the
> attached one.

On a second thought, I do not think it is a very good sample. It lacks
the licence, for instance.

I would like to seize the oportunity to propose hosting for the
project "SAMPLE", a sample common-lisp.net project. I don't really
know what licence, if any, would be appropriate...

The idea is to have a simple template that other people can edit to
suit their needs. We would have a style file, a few empty directories,
and a litle readme with some minimal guidelines. Thoughts?

Regards,
        Mario.




From nikodemus at random-state.net  Tue Dec  2 12:41:16 2003
From: nikodemus at random-state.net (Nikodemus Siivola)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:41:16 +0200
Subject: [admin] Minimal project page & number of mailing lists
In-Reply-To: <fzoeusb321.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
References: <878ylygma1.fsf@plato.moon.paoloamoroso.it>
	<87llpyj6he.fsf@nittin.net>
	<20031130154351.GB3646@random-state.net>
	<fzllpwtrf7.fsf_-_@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
	<fzoeusb321.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
Message-ID: <20031202124116.GD1466@random-state.net>

On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 11:12:22PM +0100, Mario Mommer wrote:

> I would like to seize the oportunity to propose hosting for the
> project "SAMPLE", a sample common-lisp.net project. I don't really
> know what licence, if any, would be appropriate...
> 
> The idea is to have a simple template that other people can edit to
> suit their needs. We would have a style file, a few empty directories,
> and a litle readme with some minimal guidelines. Thoughts?

I approve. 

I just wonder if normal documentation would not serve the same purpose
better -- or if the goal is more ambitious a sort of clnet development
framework (what that would include I don't know)?

Also, alternatively stuff like this could be also done under the
clo-project. But maybe that would be too confusing.

Cheers,

 -- Nikodemus
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From erik at nittin.net  Mon Dec  1 16:23:03 2003
From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 11:23:03 -0500
Subject: [admin] Project hosting for cl-cracklib
Message-ID: <87isl0fqxk.fsf@nittin.net>

I request project hosting for cl-cracklib; an interface to cracklibs
FascistCheck function.  License: MIT.  It is a very small library but it
is also very defined and independent so I personally think it merits its
own project.

Erik.



From nikodemus at random-state.net  Mon Dec  1 21:22:40 2003
From: nikodemus at random-state.net (Nikodemus Siivola)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 23:22:40 +0200
Subject: [admin] Project hosting for cl-cracklib
In-Reply-To: <87isl0fqxk.fsf@nittin.net>
References: <87isl0fqxk.fsf@nittin.net>
Message-ID: <20031201212240.GC704@random-state.net>

On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 11:23:03AM -0500, Erik Enge wrote:

> I request project hosting for cl-cracklib; an interface to cracklibs
> FascistCheck function.  License: MIT.  It is a very small library but it
> is also very defined and independent so I personally think it merits its
> own project.

Approved.

Cheers,

 -- Nikodemus
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From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de  Mon Dec  1 22:04:44 2003
From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 23:04:44 +0100
Subject: [admin] Project hosting for cl-cracklib
In-Reply-To: <20031201212240.GC704@random-state.net>
References: <87isl0fqxk.fsf@nittin.net> <20031201212240.GC704@random-state.net>
Message-ID: <fzwu9gb3er.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>

Nikodemus Siivola <nikodemus at random-state.net> writes:
> On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 11:23:03AM -0500, Erik Enge wrote:
> 
> > I request project hosting for cl-cracklib; an interface to cracklibs
> > FascistCheck function.  License: MIT.  It is a very small library but it
> > is also very defined and independent so I personally think it merits its
> > own project.
> 
> Approved.

Approve too.

Regards,
        Mario.




From eenge at prium.net  Mon Dec  1 18:08:06 2003
From: eenge at prium.net (Erik Enge)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 13:08:06 -0500
Subject: [admin] Minimal project page & number of mailing lists
In-Reply-To: <mailman.285.1070297510.20290.admin@common-lisp.net> (Mario
	Mommer's message of "Mon, 01 Dec 2003 17:48:44 +0100")
References: <878ylygma1.fsf@plato.moon.paoloamoroso.it>
	<87llpyj6he.fsf@nittin.net> <20031130154351.GB3646@random-state.net>
	<mailman.285.1070297510.20290.admin@common-lisp.net>
Message-ID: <87n0ace7i1.fsf@prium.net>

Mario Mommer <mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de> writes:

> I think we should provide an absolutely minimal page that people have
> to fill in before the project gets on the front page. I propose the
> attached one.

Ok.

> Thoughts?

I really think we shouldn't remove the -announce lists.  If anything, we
could filter cvs messages to devel.  That said, why would we want this?
Having two thousand mailinglists doesn't really complicate anything.

-announce is great for packagers.  They just subscribe to it and never
mind the others.

Erik.



From miles at caddr.com  Mon Dec  1 18:12:31 2003
From: miles at caddr.com (Miles Egan)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 10:12:31 -0800
Subject: [admin] moving macho and xmls to common-lisp.org
Message-ID: <1070302351.7221.0.camel@car>

I'd like to move macho and xmls to common-lisp.org.  Any objections?  We
support arch now, right?

-- 
Miles Egan <miles at caddr.com>
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From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de  Mon Dec  1 18:20:30 2003
From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 19:20:30 +0100 (MEZ)
Subject: [admin] moving macho and xmls to common-lisp.org
In-Reply-To: <1070302351.7221.0.camel@car>
References: <1070302351.7221.0.camel@car>
Message-ID: <1052.212.144.62.181.1070302830.squirrel@www.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>

> I'd like to move macho and xmls to common-lisp.org.  Any objections?

None here (i.e. I approve) :)

You want them to be two separate projects?

> We support arch now, right?

Yes.

Regards,
          Mario






From miles at caddr.com  Mon Dec  1 18:32:17 2003
From: miles at caddr.com (Miles Egan)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 10:32:17 -0800
Subject: [admin] moving macho and xmls to common-lisp.org
In-Reply-To: <1052.212.144.62.181.1070302830.squirrel@www.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
References: <1070302351.7221.0.camel@car>
	<1052.212.144.62.181.1070302830.squirrel@www.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
Message-ID: <1070303537.7221.6.camel@car>

On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 10:20, mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de wrote:
> > I'd like to move macho and xmls to common-lisp.org.  Any objections?
> 
> None here (i.e. I approve) :)
> 
> You want them to be two separate projects?

Yes.  They actually have nothing in common.

-- 
Miles Egan <miles at caddr.com>
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From mb at bese.it  Wed Dec  3 17:30:49 2003
From: mb at bese.it (Marco Baringer)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:30:49 +0100
Subject: [admin] ViewARCH
References: <1070302351.7221.0.camel@car>
Message-ID: <m2he0hzu46.fsf@bese.it>


Would it be possible to install ViewARCH on cl.net? It's a ViewCVS
like program adapted to arch archives.

It's home page is http://arch.bluegate.org/

It requires python >= 2.3 and tla >= 1.1pre8. The install appears to
be similar to that of ViewCVS however i personally have never
installed it. 

Due to how tla works apache must be able to read the archive
directory, I have no problem with this since my archive's in
public_html, I dont know what the other projects have done. 

I don't know what kind of workload or security issues this would
create. I'm offering myself to try and install viewarch (maybe just
for the bese and ucw projects) and see what issues spring up, then
decide whether to offer it to other projects or kill the idea.

-- 
-Marco
Ring the bells that still can ring.
Forget your perfect offering.
There is a crack in everything.
That's how the light gets in.
     -Leonard Cohen




From eenge at prium.net  Mon Dec  1 18:20:00 2003
From: eenge at prium.net (Erik Enge)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 13:20:00 -0500
Subject: [admin] moving macho and xmls to common-lisp.org
In-Reply-To: <mailman.288.1070302369.20290.admin@common-lisp.net> (Miles
	Egan's message of "Mon, 01 Dec 2003 10:12:31 -0800")
References: <mailman.288.1070302369.20290.admin@common-lisp.net>
Message-ID: <87brqse6y7.fsf@prium.net>

Miles Egan <miles at caddr.com> writes:

> I'd like to move macho and xmls to common-lisp.org.  Any objections?

Both are under BSD license, right?  I approve.

> We support arch now, right?

Yep.

Erik.



From miles at caddr.com  Mon Dec  1 18:31:53 2003
From: miles at caddr.com (Miles Egan)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 10:31:53 -0800
Subject: [admin] moving macho and xmls to common-lisp.org
In-Reply-To: <87brqse6y7.fsf@prium.net>
References: <mailman.288.1070302369.20290.admin@common-lisp.net>
	<87brqse6y7.fsf@prium.net>
Message-ID: <1070303513.7221.4.camel@car>

On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 10:20, Erik Enge wrote:
> Miles Egan <miles at caddr.com> writes:
> 
> > I'd like to move macho and xmls to common-lisp.org.  Any objections?
> 
> Both are under BSD license, right?  I approve.

Yep.

> > We support arch now, right?
> 
> Yep.

Cool.  What do I do next?  Are all the instructions I need on the site?

-- 
Miles Egan <miles at caddr.com>
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From eenge at prium.net  Mon Dec  1 18:36:21 2003
From: eenge at prium.net (Erik Enge)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 13:36:21 -0500
Subject: [admin] moving macho and xmls to common-lisp.org
In-Reply-To: <mailman.291.1070303493.20290.admin@common-lisp.net> (Miles
	Egan's message of "Mon, 01 Dec 2003 10:31:53 -0800")
References: <mailman.288.1070302369.20290.admin@common-lisp.net>
	<87brqse6y7.fsf@prium.net>
	<mailman.291.1070303493.20290.admin@common-lisp.net>
Message-ID: <87y8twcrmi.fsf@prium.net>

Miles Egan <miles at caddr.com> writes:

> Cool.  What do I do next?  Are all the instructions I need on the site?

We'll hang around until Nikodemus gives his approval.  Then I'll add
your user and projects and you'll receive emails about new mailinglists
being created.  Then you add webpages for your projects at:

  /project/<my-project>/public_html

and upload your code.  :-)

http://www.common-lisp.net/project-intro.shtml has all the details.  

Erik.



From miles at caddr.com  Mon Dec  1 18:43:42 2003
From: miles at caddr.com (Miles Egan)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 10:43:42 -0800
Subject: [admin] moving macho and xmls to common-lisp.org
In-Reply-To: <87y8twcrmi.fsf@prium.net>
References: <mailman.288.1070302369.20290.admin@common-lisp.net>
	<87brqse6y7.fsf@prium.net>
	<mailman.291.1070303493.20290.admin@common-lisp.net>
	<87y8twcrmi.fsf@prium.net>
Message-ID: <1070304222.7221.8.camel@car>

Great.  Thanks.

On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 10:36, Erik Enge wrote:
> Miles Egan <miles at caddr.com> writes:
> 
> > Cool.  What do I do next?  Are all the instructions I need on the site?
> 
> We'll hang around until Nikodemus gives his approval.  Then I'll add
> your user and projects and you'll receive emails about new mailinglists
> being created.  Then you add webpages for your projects at:
> 
>   /project/<my-project>/public_html
> 
> and upload your code.  :-)
> 
> http://www.common-lisp.net/project-intro.shtml has all the details.  
> 
> Erik.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> admin mailing list
> admin at common-lisp.net
> http://common-lisp.net/mailman/listinfo/admin
-- 
Miles Egan <miles at caddr.com>
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From nikodemus at random-state.net  Mon Dec  1 21:33:06 2003
From: nikodemus at random-state.net (Nikodemus Siivola)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 23:33:06 +0200
Subject: [admin] moving macho and xmls to common-lisp.org
In-Reply-To: <87y8twcrmi.fsf@prium.net>
References: <mailman.288.1070302369.20290.admin@common-lisp.net>
	<87brqse6y7.fsf@prium.net>
	<mailman.291.1070303493.20290.admin@common-lisp.net>
	<87y8twcrmi.fsf@prium.net>
Message-ID: <20031201213306.GE704@random-state.net>

On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 01:36:21PM -0500, Erik Enge wrote:

> We'll hang around until Nikodemus gives his approval. 

 Here: "approved". ;)

Cheers,

 -- Nikodemus



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From root at common-lisp.net  Tue Dec  2 10:22:08 2003
From: root at common-lisp.net (root)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 05:22:08 -0500
Subject: [admin] added macho; owned by megan
Message-ID: <E1AR7fU-0002j9-00@common-lisp.net>

Add successful at 2003.12.02.05.22.



From root at common-lisp.net  Tue Dec  2 10:23:22 2003
From: root at common-lisp.net (root)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 05:23:22 -0500
Subject: [admin] added xmls; owned by megan
Message-ID: <E1AR7gg-0002oP-00@common-lisp.net>

Add successful at 2003.12.02.05.23.



From root at common-lisp.net  Tue Dec  2 10:45:01 2003
From: root at common-lisp.net (root)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 05:45:01 -0500
Subject: [admin] added cl-cracklib; owned by eenge
Message-ID: <E1AR81d-0008M6-00@common-lisp.net>

Add successful at 2003.12.02.05.45.



From erik at nittin.net  Tue Dec  2 12:33:33 2003
From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 07:33:33 -0500
Subject: [admin] Project hosting for project cl-soundex.
Message-ID: <871xrnjt5u.fsf@nittin.net>

I have implemented Knuth's soundex algorithm in CL.  License: MIT.

Erik.


From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de  Tue Dec  2 12:40:55 2003
From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:40:55 +0100
Subject: [admin] Project hosting for project cl-soundex.
In-Reply-To: <871xrnjt5u.fsf@nittin.net>
References: <871xrnjt5u.fsf@nittin.net>
Message-ID: <fziskz1jfs.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>


Erik Enge <erik at nittin.net> writes:
> I have implemented Knuth's soundex algorithm in CL.  License: MIT.

Approved.

Btw, did you get my application for the "sample" project?

Regards,
        Mario.





From nikodemus at random-state.net  Tue Dec  2 12:28:38 2003
From: nikodemus at random-state.net (Nikodemus Siivola)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:28:38 +0200
Subject: [admin] Project hosting for project cl-soundex.
In-Reply-To: <871xrnjt5u.fsf@nittin.net>
References: <871xrnjt5u.fsf@nittin.net>
Message-ID: <20031202122838.GB1466@random-state.net>

On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 07:33:33AM -0500, Erik Enge wrote:
> I have implemented Knuth's soundex algorithm in CL.  License: MIT.

Approved. Nice!

Cheers,

 -- Nikodemus


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From nikodemus at random-state.net  Tue Dec  2 12:32:52 2003
From: nikodemus at random-state.net (Nikodemus Siivola)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:32:52 +0200
Subject: [admin] announcements@common-lisp.net
Message-ID: <20031202123251.GC1466@random-state.net>

I propose a mailing list announcements at common-lisp.net, which will
automatically subscribe to all foo-announce lists on Common-lisp.net.

This way lazy people like me need not to subscribe to all of them
separately.

Cheers,

 -- Nikodemus
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From erik at nittin.net  Tue Dec  2 12:54:19 2003
From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 07:54:19 -0500
Subject: [admin] announcements@common-lisp.net
References: <mailman.345.1070369496.20290.admin@common-lisp.net>
Message-ID: <87wu9fidms.fsf@nittin.net>

Nikodemus Siivola <nikodemus at random-state.net> writes:

> I propose a mailing list announcements at common-lisp.net, which will
> automatically subscribe to all foo-announce lists on Common-lisp.net.

Sounds great to me.  We should announce new projects there too.

Erik.


From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de  Tue Dec  2 12:59:32 2003
From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:59:32 +0100
Subject: [admin] announcements@common-lisp.net
In-Reply-To: <87wu9fidms.fsf@nittin.net>
References: <mailman.345.1070369496.20290.admin@common-lisp.net>
	<87wu9fidms.fsf@nittin.net>
Message-ID: <fz7k1f1ikr.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>

Erik Enge <erik at nittin.net> writes:
> Nikodemus Siivola <nikodemus at random-state.net> writes:
> 
> > I propose a mailing list announcements at common-lisp.net, which will
> > automatically subscribe to all foo-announce lists on Common-lisp.net.
> 
> Sounds great to me.  We should announce new projects there too.

Good idea.




From erik at nittin.net  Tue Dec  2 13:12:54 2003
From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 08:12:54 -0500
Subject: [admin] announcements@common-lisp.net
References: <mailman.345.1070369496.20290.admin@common-lisp.net>
Message-ID: <87smk3icrt.fsf@nittin.net>

Nikodemus Siivola <nikodemus at random-state.net> writes:

> I propose a mailing list announcements at common-lisp.net, which will
> automatically subscribe to all foo-announce lists on Common-lisp.net.

Added with you as owner.  Now you get to have fun subscribing all those
lists.  I'll make sure it gets done programatically with new lists.

Erik.


From xpskjqf at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  3 02:04:50 2003
From: xpskjqf at yahoo.com (Earnestine Posey)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 03 02:04:50 GMT
Subject: [admin] Clean Colons cbjzps am wgy
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From eenge at prium.net  Fri Dec  5 14:27:51 2003
From: eenge at prium.net (Erik Enge)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 09:27:51 -0500
Subject: [admin] Rescinding my cl-soundex project.
Message-ID: <873cbzgx08.fsf@prium.net>

[Seems like my earlier mail did not make it.]  I'd like to rescind my
request for hosting for the cl-soundex project.  I've come to the
conclusion that there are other, better, algorithms out there (Metaphone
looks better).  I'll implement some of them too and resubmit under a new
project name at a later point in time.

Erik.



From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de  Fri Dec  5 14:45:50 2003
From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 15:45:50 +0100
Subject: [admin] Rescinding my cl-soundex project.
In-Reply-To: <873cbzgx08.fsf@prium.net>
References: <873cbzgx08.fsf@prium.net>
Message-ID: <fzekvje31d.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>

Erik Enge <eenge at prium.net> writes:
> [Seems like my earlier mail did not make it.]  I'd like to rescind my
> request for hosting for the cl-soundex project.

Ok...

>  I've come to the
> conclusion that there are other, better, algorithms out there (Metaphone
> looks better).  I'll implement some of them too and resubmit under a new
> project name at a later point in time.

Well, a collection of this type of algorithms would also be
nice. Googling I found out that soundex is actually used, so it seems
that in spite of being limited it is usefull in some situations.

Regards,
        Mario.




From mb at bese.it  Sat Dec  6 19:43:23 2003
From: mb at bese.it (Marco Baringer)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 20:43:23 +0100
Subject: [admin] arch and awstats
Message-ID: <m2isktag10.fsf@bese.it>


while on my daily ego inflating visit to common-lisp.net/stats i
noticed that awstast is, understandably, reporting hits to the
bese-devel and ucw arch archive (anonymous access happens via http get
requests). this is akin to repoting cvs updates in a page which is
supposed to show web brawsing activity. 

is there some way to tell awstats to ignore hits to urls in
project/bese/bese-devel at common-lisp.net and
/project/ucw/ucw at common-lisp.net directories?

p.s. - thanks for setting up viewarch.

-- 
-Marco
Ring the bells that still can ring.
Forget your perfect offering.
There is a crack in everything.
That's how the light gets in.
     -Leonard Cohen




From rjain at nyct.net  Sat Dec  6 21:55:35 2003
From: rjain at nyct.net (Rahul Jain)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 16:55:35 -0500
Subject: [admin] new project requests
Message-ID: <87ptf1y5k8.fsf@nyct.net>

I'd like to host my projects on common-lisp.org. Their names are as follows:

DefDoc
DefMUD
Define-Window-Manager
DefPlayer
DefEditor

Thanks,
--
Rahul Jain
rjain at nyct.net



From nikodemus at random-state.net  Sat Dec  6 21:54:07 2003
From: nikodemus at random-state.net (Nikodemus Siivola)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 23:54:07 +0200
Subject: [admin] new project requests
In-Reply-To: <87ptf1y5k8.fsf@nyct.net>
References: <87ptf1y5k8.fsf@nyct.net>
Message-ID: <20031206215407.GA3946@random-state.net>

On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 04:55:35PM -0500, Rahul Jain wrote:

> I'd like to host my projects on common-lisp.org. Their names are as follows:
> 
> DefDoc
> DefMUD
> Define-Window-Manager
> DefPlayer
> DefEditor

What are these project about? (A few lines of description per project
is plenty, but just the name is a tad on the light side...)

What licenses are they under? (We generally recommend MIT/BSD style licenses,
and LLGPL in a pinch, but the final choise is yours, of course.)

Is the source code somewhere?

Cheers,

 -- Nikodemus

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From rjain at nyct.net  Sat Dec  6 22:51:46 2003
From: rjain at nyct.net (Rahul Jain)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 17:51:46 -0500
Subject: [admin] new project requests
In-Reply-To: <20031206215407.GA3946@random-state.net> (Nikodemus Siivola's
	message of "Sat, 6 Dec 2003 23:54:07 +0200")
References: <87ptf1y5k8.fsf@nyct.net> <20031206215407.GA3946@random-state.net>
Message-ID: <87llppy2yl.fsf@nyct.net>

Nikodemus Siivola <nikodemus at random-state.net> writes:
> What are these project about? (A few lines of description per project
> is plenty, but just the name is a tad on the light side...)

 DefDoc - A CLOS-extensible document creation system which combines the
 best of Lisp (OOP, dynamic memory management, simple code
 representation), TeX (aesthetically pleasing wrapping engine, code
 intermixed with text), and LaTeX (large library of document
 elements).

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 DefMUD - A CLOS-extensible framework for developing multi-user online
 role-playing games. Players will all be controlled either by humans or
 by AI and will have and be able to gain knowledge of skills and spells,
 in a level-less and class-less system.

 Define-Window-Manager - A CLOS-extensible window manager influenced by
 sawfish that uses McCLIM for much of the UI. Can coexist as a one CLIM
 application in a single lisp instance with any other applications such
 as a desktop pager, applets, and/or a custom shell.

 DefPlayer - A CLOS-extensible media player/viewer that uses
 CLIM. Media are categorized by both predefined and user-definable
 characteristics and preferences can be assigned dynamically to create
 random sequences of media to play/view.

 DefEditor - A CLOS-extensible structured document editor that uses
 CLIM. Planned document formats include Lisp and DefDoc. Annotations,
 cross-referencing, documentation (and other information) lookup, and
 formatting customizations will all be available without compromising
 compatibility with the normal plain-text document format that is saved
 to disk.


All projects have some code, but none are usable.

> What licenses are they under? (We generally recommend MIT/BSD style licenses,
> and LLGPL in a pinch, but the final choise is yours, of course.)

They will all be MIT-style licensed.

> Is the source code somewhere?

The purpose of setting up these projects on c-l.org is so that there can
be a publically accessible repository for these projects, so the code
will be there when the projects are set up. :)

Thanks,
--
Rahul Jain
rjain at nyct.net

From mb at bese.it  Sun Dec  7 16:24:25 2003
From: mb at bese.it (Marco Baringer)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 17:24:25 +0100
Subject: [admin] new project requests
In-Reply-To: <87llppy2yl.fsf@nyct.net> (Rahul Jain's message of "Sat, 06 Dec
	2003 17:51:46 -0500")
References: <87ptf1y5k8.fsf@nyct.net> <20031206215407.GA3946@random-state.net>
	<87llppy2yl.fsf@nyct.net>
Message-ID: <m2llpor3ye.fsf@bese.it>

Rahul Jain <rjain at nyct.net> writes:

>  DefDoc - A CLOS-extensible document creation system which combines the
>  best of Lisp (OOP, dynamic memory management, simple code
>  representation), TeX (aesthetically pleasing wrapping engine, code
>  intermixed with text), and LaTeX (large library of document
>  elements).

i am very interested in this, would it be possible to have the
description in pdf or text format? (i can't read dvis at the moment)

-- 
-Marco
Ring the bells that still can ring.
Forget your perfect offering.
There is a crack in everything.
That's how the light gets in.
     -Leonard Cohen




From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de  Sun Dec  7 16:43:51 2003
From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 17:43:51 +0100
Subject: [admin] new project requests
In-Reply-To: <87llppy2yl.fsf@nyct.net>
References: <87ptf1y5k8.fsf@nyct.net> <20031206215407.GA3946@random-state.net>
	<87llppy2yl.fsf@nyct.net>
Message-ID: <fzvfos60jc.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>


Rahul Jain <rjain at nyct.net> writes:
[project descriptions]
> > What licenses are they under? (We generally recommend MIT/BSD style licenses,
> > and LLGPL in a pinch, but the final choise is yours, of course.)
> 
> They will all be MIT-style licensed.

Sorry if I'm being pedantic, but does this mean that they will be
under the MIT licence?

If so, then I approve.

Regards,
        Mario.




From rjain at nyct.net  Sun Dec  7 17:04:21 2003
From: rjain at nyct.net (Rahul Jain)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 12:04:21 -0500
Subject: [admin] new project requests
In-Reply-To: <fzvfos60jc.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de> (Mario Mommer's
	message of "Sun, 07 Dec 2003 17:43:51 +0100")
References: <87ptf1y5k8.fsf@nyct.net> <20031206215407.GA3946@random-state.net>
	<87llppy2yl.fsf@nyct.net>
	<fzvfos60jc.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
Message-ID: <87iskswodm.fsf@nyct.net>

Mario Mommer <mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de> writes:

> Rahul Jain <rjain at nyct.net> writes:
> [project descriptions]
>> > What licenses are they under? (We generally recommend MIT/BSD style licenses,
>> > and LLGPL in a pinch, but the final choise is yours, of course.)
>> 
>> They will all be MIT-style licensed.
>
> Sorry if I'm being pedantic, but does this mean that they will be
> under the MIT licence?

MIT license with my copyright. I guess I was being pedantic, too. ;)

> If so, then I approve.

Ok, great.

Thanks,
--
Rahul



From nikodemus at random-state.net  Sun Dec  7 20:55:45 2003
From: nikodemus at random-state.net (Nikodemus Siivola)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 22:55:45 +0200
Subject: [admin] new project requests
In-Reply-To: <87llppy2yl.fsf@nyct.net>
References: <87ptf1y5k8.fsf@nyct.net> <20031206215407.GA3946@random-state.net>
	<87llppy2yl.fsf@nyct.net>
Message-ID: <20031207205545.GE704@random-state.net>

On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 05:51:46PM -0500, Rahul Jain wrote:

While I approve of all these Def* projects, I can't help but wonder if
you're spreading yourself a bit thin... 

>From the descriptions it sounds to me like all the projects are in the
Emacs-Mplayer size range individually. I do not mean this as a
criticism per-se, but just as an observation.

If you intend to share significant amount of code between these
projects it might be beneficial to start them under a single project,
and branch them off once they become bigger. Kind of like Marco
Baringger did/does with Bese and UnCommon Web.

Cheers,

 -- Nikodemus



From rjain at nyct.net  Sun Dec  7 21:40:30 2003
From: rjain at nyct.net (Rahul Jain)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 16:40:30 -0500
Subject: [admin] new project requests
In-Reply-To: <20031207205545.GE704@random-state.net> (Nikodemus Siivola's
	message of "Sun, 7 Dec 2003 22:55:45 +0200")
References: <87ptf1y5k8.fsf@nyct.net> <20031206215407.GA3946@random-state.net>
	<87llppy2yl.fsf@nyct.net> <20031207205545.GE704@random-state.net>
Message-ID: <87brqkux0x.fsf@nyct.net>

Attached is my gpg public key

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Nikodemus Siivola <nikodemus at random-state.net> writes:

> On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 05:51:46PM -0500, Rahul Jain wrote:
>
> While I approve of all these Def* projects, I can't help but wonder if
> you're spreading yourself a bit thin... 

Actually, that's exactly why I want to share the code. That way others
can help me out. :)

>>From the descriptions it sounds to me like all the projects are in the
> Emacs-Mplayer size range individually. I do not mean this as a
> criticism per-se, but just as an observation.

Yes, in a sense you are right. However, they will be highly configurable
as to how they really do their work and I intend to depend on already
available external applications at first, e.g., using mplayer in
DefPlayer. Personally, I would consider the whole of CLIM to be
comparable to Emacs, FWIW.

> If you intend to share significant amount of code between these
> projects it might be beneficial to start them under a single project,
> and branch them off once they become bigger. Kind of like Marco
> Baringger did/does with Bese and UnCommon Web.

I won't really be sharing much code between the projects, but some may
provide extensions and/or plugins for the others. E.g. DefDoc providing
a format plugin for DefEditor.

Thanks for providing such a useful service to the lisp community.

--
Rahul Jain

From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de  Sun Dec  7 17:17:25 2003
From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 18:17:25 +0100
Subject: [admin] legalese.
Message-ID: <fzn0a45yze.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>


Hi,

To be able to import functionality by the ton into lgtk, and to do it
right, I want to keep a database of info on this. I planed to put each
gtk+ header in its own dir, where there is space for annotations,
docs, tools, etc. and import all that to CVS as ones separate
'metadata' module.

Although it's probably useless, I should put a COPYING file somewhere,
right?

that would be the LGPL, since I am "using" the original code.

Would that be okay? Thoughts?

Regards,
        Mario.




From root at common-lisp.net  Sun Dec  7 21:20:17 2003
From: root at common-lisp.net (root)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 16:20:17 -0500
Subject: [admin] added defdoc; owned by rjain
Message-ID: <E1AT6K9-0003P6-00@common-lisp.net>

Add successful at 2003.12.07.16.20.



From root at common-lisp.net  Sun Dec  7 21:25:16 2003
From: root at common-lisp.net (root)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 16:25:16 -0500
Subject: [admin] added defmud; owned by rjain
Message-ID: <E1AT6Oy-0003xH-00@common-lisp.net>

Add successful at 2003.12.07.16.25.



From root at common-lisp.net  Sun Dec  7 21:27:44 2003
From: root at common-lisp.net (root)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 16:27:44 -0500
Subject: [admin] added defwm; owned by rjain
Message-ID: <E1AT6RM-000454-00@common-lisp.net>

Add successful at 2003.12.07.16.27.



From root at common-lisp.net  Sun Dec  7 21:28:50 2003
From: root at common-lisp.net (root)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 16:28:50 -0500
Subject: [admin] added defplayer; owned by rjain
Message-ID: <E1AT6SQ-00048o-00@common-lisp.net>

Add successful at 2003.12.07.16.28.



From root at common-lisp.net  Sun Dec  7 21:30:29 2003
From: root at common-lisp.net (root)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 16:30:29 -0500
Subject: [admin] added defeditor; owned by rjain
Message-ID: <E1AT6U1-0004Xd-00@common-lisp.net>

Add successful at 2003.12.07.16.30.



From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de  Mon Dec  8 16:08:47 2003
From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 17:08:47 +0100
Subject: [admin] Re: cvs2.cons.org is down?
In-Reply-To: <20031204123757.A26069@cons.org>
References: <bqnapm$9m6$1@sea.gmane.org> <000501c3ba88$95aedf10$0100a8c0@moby>
	<20031204123757.A26069@cons.org>
Message-ID: <fzfzfvqokw.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>

Martin Cracauer <cracauer at cons.org> writes:
> I have a nightly synced copy of the repository, the backup procedures
> I installed after the WindRiver incidinct should leave us without any
> loss.
> 
> Solutions, please state your preference:
> 
> 1) I cannot give out user accounts on the German machine I share with
>    friends.  But I could commit diffs that people send to me if this
>    is a temporary workaround and make the CVS repository available.
> 
> 2) If we need a more permanent solution I could set up a machine where
>    I can give out user accounts, I would have several options.
> 
> Opinions?

We (common-lisp.net) can provide temporary (or definitive, if you
want) hosting for the cmucl CVS tree at common-lisp.net. Features?
Well, disk space, daily backups, developer accounts, cool domain name,
site run by nice people... Did I leave something out? :)

What do you think?

Regards,
        Mario.




From marc.battyani at fractalconcept.com  Wed Dec 10 09:58:10 2003
From: marc.battyani at fractalconcept.com (Marc Battyani)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:58:10 +0100
Subject: [admin] mailing lists for mod_lisp, cl-pdf and cl-typesetting
Message-ID: <19c201c3bf04$1f2097f0$0303a8c0@marc2>

Hi,

I received several suggestions to setup mailling lists for mod_lisp, cl-pdf
and cl-typesetting.
Can I do this on common-lisp.net ?

Thanks,

Marc



From nikodemus at random-state.net  Wed Dec 10 10:20:12 2003
From: nikodemus at random-state.net (Nikodemus Siivola)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:20:12 +0200
Subject: [admin] mailing lists for mod_lisp, cl-pdf and cl-typesetting
In-Reply-To: <19c201c3bf04$1f2097f0$0303a8c0@marc2>
References: <19c201c3bf04$1f2097f0$0303a8c0@marc2>
Message-ID: <20031210102012.GA710@random-state.net>

On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 10:58:10AM +0100, Marc Battyani wrote:

> I received several suggestions to setup mailling lists for mod_lisp,
> cl-pdf and cl-typesetting.
> Can I do this on common-lisp.net ?

CL-PDF is under BSD-style license, and mod_lisp under Apache License, right?

For them at least, I definitely approve.

I'm under the impression that you're not distributing the source to
cl-typesetting yet: this makes hosting a mailing list for it at
Common-lisp.net slightly controversial. However, since I think there
is a clear intent to release it, I approve.

By the by, are you *sure* you want just mailing lists, and not full
project hosting?

The point made by some folks on cll is quite true: giving people early
access to source is much likelier to bring contributors -- especially
giving them CVS/SVN/Arch access as opposed to just tarballs.

Cheers,

 -- Nikodemus



From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de  Wed Dec 10 12:45:29 2003
From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:45:29 +0100
Subject: [admin] mailing lists for mod_lisp, cl-pdf and cl-typesetting
In-Reply-To: <20031210102012.GA710@random-state.net>
References: <19c201c3bf04$1f2097f0$0303a8c0@marc2>
	<20031210102012.GA710@random-state.net>
Message-ID: <fzfzfsvo2e.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>

Nikodemus Siivola <nikodemus at random-state.net> writes:
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 10:58:10AM +0100, Marc Battyani wrote:
> 
> > I received several suggestions to setup mailling lists for mod_lisp,
> > cl-pdf and cl-typesetting.
> > Can I do this on common-lisp.net ?
> 
> CL-PDF is under BSD-style license, and mod_lisp under Apache License, right?
> 
> For them at least, I definitely approve.

If these are indeed the licenses, I (definitely) approve too.

Marc, did you already choose the licence under which you will release
cl-typesetting?

> By the by, are you *sure* you want just mailing lists, and not full
> project hosting?
> 
> The point made by some folks on cll is quite true: giving people early
> access to source is much likelier to bring contributors -- especially
> giving them CVS/SVN/Arch access as opposed to just tarballs.

I agree 100%.

Regards,
        Mario.




From marc.battyani at fractalconcept.com  Wed Dec 10 13:32:12 2003
From: marc.battyani at fractalconcept.com (Marc Battyani)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:32:12 +0100
Subject: [admin] mailing lists for mod_lisp, cl-pdf and cl-typesetting
References: <19c201c3bf04$1f2097f0$0303a8c0@marc2>
	<20031210102012.GA710@random-state.net>
	<fzfzfsvo2e.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
Message-ID: <1acc01c3bf22$0a741980$0303a8c0@marc2>

From: "Mario Mommer" wrote

> Nikodemus Siivola <nikodemus at random-state.net> writes:
> > On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 10:58:10AM +0100, Marc Battyani wrote:
> >
> > > I received several suggestions to setup mailling lists for mod_lisp,
> > > cl-pdf and cl-typesetting.
> > > Can I do this on common-lisp.net ?
> >
> > CL-PDF is under BSD-style license, and mod_lisp under Apache License,
right?
> >
> > For them at least, I definitely approve.
>
> If these are indeed the licenses, I (definitely) approve too.
>
> Marc, did you already choose the licence under which you will release
> cl-typesetting?

BSD style as usual.

> > By the by, are you *sure* you want just mailing lists, and not full
> > project hosting?
> >
> > The point made by some folks on cll is quite true: giving people early
> > access to source is much likelier to bring contributors -- especially
> > giving them CVS/SVN/Arch access as opposed to just tarballs.
>
> I agree 100%.

Hum... I've replied to Nikodemus about this. What do you think about my
arguments?

Cheers,

Marc




From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de  Wed Dec 10 14:34:28 2003
From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:34:28 +0100
Subject: [admin] mailing lists for mod_lisp, cl-pdf and cl-typesetting
In-Reply-To: <1acc01c3bf22$0a741980$0303a8c0@marc2>
References: <19c201c3bf04$1f2097f0$0303a8c0@marc2>
	<20031210102012.GA710@random-state.net>
	<fzfzfsvo2e.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
	<1acc01c3bf22$0a741980$0303a8c0@marc2>
Message-ID: <fz3cbsvj0r.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>

Marc Battyani <marc.battyani at fractalconcept.com> writes:
> Hum... I've replied to Nikodemus about this. What do you think about my
> arguments?

Mailsystem jitter - when I replied I hadn't seen you reply.

Regards,
        Mario.




From marc.battyani at fractalconcept.com  Sat Dec 20 10:51:47 2003
From: marc.battyani at fractalconcept.com (Marc Battyani)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 11:51:47 +0100
Subject: [admin] mailing lists for mod_lisp, cl-pdf and cl-typesetting
References: <19c201c3bf04$1f2097f0$0303a8c0@marc2>
	<20031210102012.GA710@random-state.net>
Message-ID: <06c201c3c6e7$46622cd0$0303a8c0@marc2>

The mailing lists seem to not work.

I posted messages to them yesterday but they didn't came through nor
bounced.
David J Cooper Jr also posted a message without more success.

Marc

PS I put you all in copy to avoid the possible list server problem.




From nikodemus at random-state.net  Sat Dec 20 13:10:18 2003
From: nikodemus at random-state.net (Nikodemus Siivola)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 15:10:18 +0200
Subject: [admin] mailing lists for mod_lisp, cl-pdf and cl-typesetting
In-Reply-To: <06c201c3c6e7$46622cd0$0303a8c0@marc2>
References: <19c201c3bf04$1f2097f0$0303a8c0@marc2>
	<20031210102012.GA710@random-state.net>
	<06c201c3c6e7$46622cd0$0303a8c0@marc2>
Message-ID: <20031220131018.GA1338@random-state.net>

On Sat, Dec 20, 2003 at 11:51:47AM +0100, Marc Battyani wrote:

> The mailing lists seem to not work.

Thanks for the report. Should work now.

> PS I put you all in copy to avoid the possible list server problem.

It was -- so a very good move!

Cheers,

 -- Nikodemus




From marc.battyani at fractalconcept.com  Wed Dec 10 13:28:54 2003
From: marc.battyani at fractalconcept.com (Marc Battyani)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:28:54 +0100
Subject: [admin] mailing lists for mod_lisp, cl-pdf and cl-typesetting
Message-ID: <1ac601c3bf21$8fb33be0$0303a8c0@marc2>

Nikodemus Siivola wrote:

> CL-PDF is under BSD-style license, and mod_lisp under Apache License,
>right?

No mod_lisp is also under a BSD style licence

> For them at least, I definitely approve.
>
> I'm under the impression that you're not distributing the source to
> cl-typesetting yet: this makes hosting a mailing list for it at
> Common-lisp.net slightly controversial. However, since I think there
> is a clear intent to release it, I approve.

Hum... If you are Open Source only for mailing lists you should say so.

> By the by, are you *sure* you want just mailing lists, and not full
> project hosting?

For now yes, I prefer to play with my own servers with my own tools.
But I could at least add a project page if you want.

> The point made by some folks on cll is quite true: giving people early
> access to source is much likelier to bring contributors -- especially
> giving them CVS/SVN/Arch access as opposed to just tarballs.

I've seen this but it's what I have done with mod_lisp and cl-pdf and the
users/contributors ratio is a fairly good approximation of 0. :(
Releasing software takes time, you get lots of emails asking for support,
etc... And time is the resource I'm missing the most! So I prefer to work on
cl-typesetting to release it only when it's usable by an average user.
So it's not that I'm against releasing it it's just that I don't think the
advantages would be so great.

BTW I'm ok to discuss this on a suitable place if c.l.l is not the good one.
(or by email)

Cheers,

Marc

BTW my reply to Nikodemus bounced:

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

  nikodemus at random-state.net
    SMTP error from remote mailer after RCPT TO:<nikodemus at
random-state.net>:
    host eforward2.name-services.com [216.52.184.242]:
    550 5.7.1 Unable to relay for nikodemus at random-state.net





From nikodemus at random-state.net  Wed Dec 10 13:46:31 2003
From: nikodemus at random-state.net (Nikodemus Siivola)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:46:31 +0200
Subject: [admin] mailing lists for mod_lisp, cl-pdf and cl-typesetting
In-Reply-To: <1ac601c3bf21$8fb33be0$0303a8c0@marc2>
References: <1ac601c3bf21$8fb33be0$0303a8c0@marc2>
Message-ID: <20031210134631.GA2275@random-state.net>

On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 02:28:54PM +0100, Marc Battyani wrote:

> No mod_lisp is also under a BSD style licence

Ok.

> Hum... If you are Open Source only for mailing lists you should say so.

It's a sticky point. On the other hand we're happy to host
mailing-lists for any and all CL topic, but generally tend to see
project-specific mailing lists as part of project hosting...

Dunno. Maybe we could make it clearer on the page. OTOH, it's not a
hard and fast rule -- we prefer to err on the side of flexibility. ;-)

And the final decision is always case-by-case anyways. Not that we've
refused any yet, I think.

> For now yes, I prefer to play with my own servers with my own tools.

Fair enough. 

> But I could at least add a project page if you want.

Nah. I don't see much point in putting up a project page when the
project is elsewhere.

> I've seen this but it's what I have done with mod_lisp and cl-pdf and the
> users/contributors ratio is a fairly good approximation of 0. :(

Er. I see the tarballs, yes. But no CVS (or other) repositories. The
difference is really a big one. 

People who are likely to help want the bleeding edge: if it's broken
they can try to fix it. If it works fine (like releases tend to)
they'll just use it -- and don't touch the source until there's
something they want from it.

Also, it's nice to know that what you have is a good approximation of
what the author has.

> Releasing software takes time, you get lots of emails asking for support,
> etc... And time is the resource I'm missing the most! So I prefer to work on
> cl-typesetting to release it only when it's usable by an average user.
> So it's not that I'm against releasing it it's just that I don't think the
> advantages would be so great.

The point is that anonCVS / whatever is not the same as a release. 

People who tracks CVS don't generally expect the same level of support
as people who use released. And when they do, they should be told that
things don't work like that. ;-)

Tarball = for users
Repository = for developers

> BTW I'm ok to discuss this on a suitable place if c.l.l is not the good one.
> (or by email)

Clump might be a fertile place to get people's views on this
release/devel-access dichtomy. Better signal to noise ratio.

Cheers,

 -- Nikodemus



From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de  Wed Dec 10 14:33:18 2003
From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:33:18 +0100
Subject: [admin] mailing lists for mod_lisp, cl-pdf and cl-typesetting
In-Reply-To: <1ac601c3bf21$8fb33be0$0303a8c0@marc2>
References: <1ac601c3bf21$8fb33be0$0303a8c0@marc2>
Message-ID: <fz7k14vj2p.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>

Marc Battyani <marc.battyani at fractalconcept.com> writes:
> If you are Open Source only for mailing lists you should say so.

Probably. I don't think it makes sense to host the mailing lists for
comercial products here...

> > The point made by some folks on cll is quite true: giving people early
> > access to source is much likelier to bring contributors -- especially
> > giving them CVS/SVN/Arch access as opposed to just tarballs.
> 
> I've seen this but it's what I have done with mod_lisp and cl-pdf and the
> users/contributors ratio is a fairly good approximation of 0. :(
> Releasing software takes time, you get lots of emails asking for support,
> etc... And time is the resource I'm missing the most!

It is the same here.

But CVS (or Arch, etc) also allows you to tell people that you are too
busy at the moment, but that they are wellcome to try to make it
better.

> So I prefer to work on cl-typesetting to release it only when it's
> usable by an average user.  So it's not that I'm against releasing
> it it's just that I don't think the advantages would be so great.

May be they are not; that depends, I bet, on personal judgement (in my
opinion the advantages outweight any possible (i haven't found any)
disadvantages). How about just trying it out? If it turns out to be
bad for some reason, well, you can revert to tar-balls again.

Regards,
        Mario.




From eenge at prium.net  Wed Dec 10 13:52:41 2003
From: eenge at prium.net (Erik Enge)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:52:41 -0500
Subject: [admin] mailing lists for mod_lisp, cl-pdf and cl-typesetting
In-Reply-To: <mailman.555.1071050247.20290.admin@common-lisp.net> (Marc
	Battyani's message of "Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:58:10 +0100")
References: <mailman.555.1071050247.20290.admin@common-lisp.net>
Message-ID: <87k754dbkm.fsf@prium.net>

"Marc Battyani" <marc.battyani at fractalconcept.com> writes:

> I received several suggestions to setup mailling lists for mod_lisp,
> cl-pdf and cl-typesetting.  Can I do this on common-lisp.net ?

I must admit to being a little hesitant to allow just mailinglists.
Perhaps if you tell me what your reasons for not going with our CVS
setup are I'm can fix whatever problems there might be.

What's nice about common-lisp.net and sourceforge etc. is how it's very
uniform in the way you locate a projects webpage, cvs, ftp, etc.  I
really want to try to hang on to this uniformity.

That said, if you start out with full projects but only use the
mailinglists and have a webpage that describes your projects briefly and
give links to where to find the files etc. I think I can go with that
because I'm willing to bet that when you do get contributors (I'm really
eager to take a look at cl-pdf once I have a few hours of spare time)
and they start sending patches you'll probably figure it's easier to use
the CVS trees at clnet and add them as members there instead of giving
out users/passwords on your own servers.

Ok, I approve, then.  I'll create the projects.  Can you send me your
GPG/PGP public key so I can encrypt your password when I send it to you?

Erik.



From nikodemus at random-state.net  Wed Dec 10 13:51:17 2003
From: nikodemus at random-state.net (Nikodemus Siivola)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:51:17 +0200
Subject: [admin] mailing lists for mod_lisp, cl-pdf and cl-typesetting
In-Reply-To: <87k754dbkm.fsf@prium.net>
References: <mailman.555.1071050247.20290.admin@common-lisp.net>
	<87k754dbkm.fsf@prium.net>
Message-ID: <20031210135117.GB2275@random-state.net>

On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 08:52:41AM -0500, Erik Enge wrote:

> I must admit to being a little hesitant to allow just mailinglists.

Erik, even though I can easily see how project mailing lists could be
viewed more naturally aspart of project hosting than mailing list
hosting, our stated services include "Mailing lists for Common Lisp
related topics." ;-)

Cheers,

 -- Nikodemus



From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de  Wed Dec 10 14:23:33 2003
From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:23:33 +0100
Subject: [admin] mailing lists for mod_lisp, cl-pdf and cl-typesetting
In-Reply-To: <20031210135117.GB2275@random-state.net>
References: <mailman.555.1071050247.20290.admin@common-lisp.net>
	<87k754dbkm.fsf@prium.net> <20031210135117.GB2275@random-state.net>
Message-ID: <fzbrqgvjiy.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>

Nikodemus Siivola <nikodemus at random-state.net> writes:
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 08:52:41AM -0500, Erik Enge wrote:
> 
> > I must admit to being a little hesitant to allow just mailinglists.
> 
> Erik, even though I can easily see how project mailing lists could be
> viewed more naturally aspart of project hosting than mailing list
> hosting, our stated services include "Mailing lists for Common Lisp
> related topics." ;-)

Yes, but I think having a page where it says "project homepage is
_here_" doesn't hurt anyone, and has the advantage of helping to
locate the project if g00gle goes bust or something :)

Sourceforge does that too, btw.

Regards,
        Mario.




From marc.battyani at fractalconcept.com  Wed Dec 10 15:07:20 2003
From: marc.battyani at fractalconcept.com (Marc Battyani)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:07:20 +0100
Subject: [admin] mailing lists for mod_lisp, cl-pdf and cl-typesetting
References: <mailman.555.1071050247.20290.admin@common-lisp.net>
	<87k754dbkm.fsf@prium.net>
Message-ID: <1b3901c3bf2f$50fd94f0$0303a8c0@marc2>

"Erik Enge" <eenge at prium.net> writes:

> That said, if you start out with full projects but only use the
> mailinglists and have a webpage that describes your projects briefly and
> give links to where to find the files etc. I think I can go with that
> because I'm willing to bet that when you do get contributors (I'm really
> eager to take a look at cl-pdf once I have a few hours of spare time)
> and they start sending patches you'll probably figure it's easier to use
> the CVS trees at clnet and add them as members there instead of giving
> out users/passwords on your own servers.

Yeah, this is precisely the problem: Having contributors....
I think all of you are over optimistic about this. ;-)

> Ok, I approve, then.  I'll create the projects.  Can you send me your
> GPG/PGP public key so I can encrypt your password when I send it to you?

Here it is:

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Marc



From eenge at prium.net  Wed Dec 10 14:15:55 2003
From: eenge at prium.net (Erik Enge)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:15:55 -0500
Subject: [admin] mailing lists for mod_lisp, cl-pdf and cl-typesetting
In-Reply-To: <mailman.571.1071065437.20290.admin@common-lisp.net> (Nikodemus
	Siivola's message of "Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:51:17 +0200")
References: <mailman.555.1071050247.20290.admin@common-lisp.net>
	<87k754dbkm.fsf@prium.net>
	<mailman.571.1071065437.20290.admin@common-lisp.net>
Message-ID: <874qw8dahw.fsf@prium.net>

Nikodemus Siivola <nikodemus at random-state.net> writes:

> Erik, even though I can easily see how project mailing lists could be
> viewed more naturally aspart of project hosting than mailing list
> hosting, our stated services include "Mailing lists for Common Lisp
> related topics." ;-)

It's about discoverability too.  I want to see cl-pdf et al on the
projects.shtml listing so it's easy to find them.  Having only the
mailinglists woudld kindof hide the projects and make them harder to
find.

Erik.



From eenge at prium.net  Wed Dec 10 16:03:44 2003
From: eenge at prium.net (Erik Enge)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:03:44 -0500
Subject: [admin] mailing lists for mod_lisp, cl-pdf and cl-typesetting
In-Reply-To: <mailman.555.1071050247.20290.admin@common-lisp.net> (Marc
	Battyani's message of "Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:58:10 +0100")
References: <mailman.555.1071050247.20290.admin@common-lisp.net>
Message-ID: <87vfoobqxr.fsf@prium.net>

"Marc Battyani" <marc.battyani at fractalconcept.com> writes:

> I received several suggestions to setup mailling lists for mod_lisp,
> cl-pdf and cl-typesetting.  Can I do this on common-lisp.net ?

Can we call it 'mod-lisp' instead?  We use Unix groups to enforce
permissions and the group name is the same as the project name.

Erik.



From marc.battyani at fractalconcept.com  Wed Dec 10 16:31:39 2003
From: marc.battyani at fractalconcept.com (Marc Battyani)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:31:39 +0100
Subject: [admin] mailing lists for mod_lisp, cl-pdf and cl-typesetting]
References: <20031210135224.GC2275@random-state.net>
Message-ID: <1ba701c3bf3b$186c1ce0$0303a8c0@marc2>

From: "Nikodemus Siivola" <nikodemus at random-state.net> writes:

> Oops. Accidentally sent this just to the admin-list.

I noticed it was a mailing list only at the third email...

> > But I could at least add a project page if you want.
>
> Nah. I don't see much point in putting up a project page when the
> project is elsewhere.

OK, tell me when you have reached a consensus on the subject ;-)

> > I've seen this but it's what I have done with mod_lisp and cl-pdf and
the
> > users/contributors ratio is a fairly good approximation of 0. :(
>
> Er. I see the tarballs, yes. But no CVS (or other) repositories. The
> difference is really a big one.
>
> People who are likely to help want the bleeding edge: if it's broken
> they can try to fix it. If it works fine (like releases tend to)
> they'll just use it -- and don't touch the source until there's
> something they want from it.

What I am looking for is not really fixer but contributors.

> Also, it's nice to know that what you have is a good approximation of
> what the author has.
>
> > Releasing software takes time, you get lots of emails asking for
support,
> > etc... And time is the resource I'm missing the most! So I prefer to
work on
> > cl-typesetting to release it only when it's usable by an average user.
> > So it's not that I'm against releasing it it's just that I don't think
the
> > advantages would be so great.
>
> The point is that anonCVS / whatever is not the same as a release.
>
> People who tracks CVS don't generally expect the same level of support
> as people who use released. And when they do, they should be told that
> things don't work like that. ;-)
>
> Tarball = for users
> Repository = for developers

Good point.
BTW I've never given CVS access to others. Is there a mechanism to
accept/reject the changes.

> > BTW I'm ok to discuss this on a suitable place if c.l.l is not the good
one.
> > (or by email)
>
> Clump might be a fertile place to get people's views on this
> release/devel-access dichtomy. Better signal to noise ratio.

Ok I will probably put the debate there...

I agree that in c.l.l  the signal is almost lost in the noise.
Where are the lispniks who write code instead of just talking ?
I also posted to lispweb but it's almost empty.

Marc




From nikodemus at random-state.net  Wed Dec 10 16:43:23 2003
From: nikodemus at random-state.net (Nikodemus Siivola)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:43:23 +0200
Subject: [admin] mailing lists for mod_lisp, cl-pdf and cl-typesetting]
In-Reply-To: <1ba701c3bf3b$186c1ce0$0303a8c0@marc2>
References: <20031210135224.GC2275@random-state.net>
	<1ba701c3bf3b$186c1ce0$0303a8c0@marc2>
Message-ID: <20031210164323.GB3029@random-state.net>

On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 05:31:39PM +0100, Marc Battyani wrote:

> BTW I've never given CVS access to others. Is there a mechanism to
> accept/reject the changes.

The normal thing to do is to give read-only access to anonCVS via
pserver for the unwashed masses, and normal write access over ssh tunnel
for the select few.

The unwashed masses send the contributions over email -- cvs diff -u
is really handy for that.

Among the select few most projects post diffs of controversial changes
to mailing list first so that there is a chance to comment before
commit.

You could also keep official (accepted) stuff in separate branch, I
suppose.

Cheers,

 -- Nikodemus



From eenge at prium.net  Wed Dec 10 16:36:17 2003
From: eenge at prium.net (Erik Enge)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:36:17 -0500
Subject: [admin] mailing lists for mod_lisp, cl-pdf and cl-typesetting]
In-Reply-To: <mailman.582.1071073863.20290.admin@common-lisp.net> (Marc
	Battyani's message of "Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:31:39 +0100")
References: <20031210135224.GC2275@random-state.net>
	<mailman.582.1071073863.20290.admin@common-lisp.net>
Message-ID: <87n0a0bpfi.fsf@prium.net>

"Marc Battyani" <marc.battyani at fractalconcept.com> writes:

> OK, tell me when you have reached a consensus on the subject ;-)

You're getting three fullblown projects.  :)

> BTW I've never given CVS access to others. Is there a mechanism to
> accept/reject the changes.

Not in CVS, really.  I usually dole out CVS access to those who've
already sent me good patches.  If they commit something I don't like to
the CVS tree I tell them so and they fix it.  At common-lisp.net you ask
us to add members to your project at which point they have full access
to your CVS tree.

> Where are the lispniks who write code instead of just talking?

On IRC: #lisp on freenode.net.

Erik.



From marc.battyani at fractalconcept.com  Wed Dec 10 20:57:56 2003
From: marc.battyani at fractalconcept.com (Marc Battyani)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:57:56 +0100
Subject: [admin] mailing lists for mod_lisp, cl-pdf and cl-typesetting]
References: <20031210135224.GC2275@random-state.net><mailman.582.1071073863.20290.admin@common-lisp.net>
	<87n0a0bpfi.fsf@prium.net>
Message-ID: <1c4401c3bf60$4ac8b8e0$0303a8c0@marc2>


"Erik Enge" <eenge at prium.net> writes
> "Marc Battyani" <marc.battyani at fractalconcept.com> writes:
> 
> > OK, tell me when you have reached a consensus on the subject ;-)
> 
> You're getting three fullblown projects.  :)

Great.

Marc





From yrashk at fp.org.ua  Thu Dec 11 10:57:39 2003
From: yrashk at fp.org.ua (Yurii A. Rashkovskii)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:57:39 +0200
Subject: [admin] new project suggestion
Message-ID: <001301c3bfd5$a84b43f0$630a0a0a@kiev.ua.ddlabs.com>

Hello,

Is it possible to host the following project?

Project name: Encline
Description: Encline is a Common Lisp based development engine based on frame database and workflow technologies.
License: Most probably, GPL or LLGPL (still thinking about this issue)

My full name is Yurii A. Rashkovskii

Thanks in advance,
Yurii.
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From nikodemus at random-state.net  Thu Dec 11 10:52:24 2003
From: nikodemus at random-state.net (Nikodemus Siivola)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:52:24 +0200
Subject: [admin] new project suggestion
In-Reply-To: <001301c3bfd5$a84b43f0$630a0a0a@kiev.ua.ddlabs.com>
References: <001301c3bfd5$a84b43f0$630a0a0a@kiev.ua.ddlabs.com>
Message-ID: <20031211105224.GA705@random-state.net>

On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 12:57:39PM +0200, Yurii A. Rashkovskii wrote:

> Project name: Encline
> Description: Encline is a Common Lisp based development engine based
> on frame database and workflow technologies.
> License: Most probably, GPL or LLGPL (still thinking about this issue)

I'd prefer the license issues were settled before a hosting decision
is made. We generally recommend MIT/BSD-style licenses, and LLGPL over
GPL, but GPL is ok too.

Also, I'm not quite sure what you mean by "development engine". Is
that another name for IDE, or something totally different?

Otherwise I approve -- pending the license.

Cheers,

 -- Nikodemus Siivola



From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de  Thu Dec 11 11:49:30 2003
From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:49:30 +0100
Subject: [admin] new project suggestion
In-Reply-To: <001301c3bfd5$a84b43f0$630a0a0a@kiev.ua.ddlabs.com>
References: <001301c3bfd5$a84b43f0$630a0a0a@kiev.ua.ddlabs.com>
Message-ID: <fzu1471smt.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>


"Yurii A. Rashkovskii" <yrashk at fp.org.ua> writes:
> Hello,
> 
> Is it possible to host the following project?
> 
> Project name: Encline Description: Encline is a Common Lisp based
> development engine based on frame database and workflow
> technologies.  License: Most probably, GPL or LLGPL (still thinking
> about this issue)

It looks good (what is a development engine?). I would really like to
know the license before approving.

Regards,
        Mario.




From yrashk at fp.org.ua  Thu Dec 11 13:29:16 2003
From: yrashk at fp.org.ua (Yurii A. Rashkovskii)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:29:16 +0200
Subject: [admin] new project suggestion
Message-ID: <003d01c3bfea$d666ce20$630a0a0a@kiev.ua.ddlabs.com>

>
> I'd prefer the license issues were settled before a hosting decision
> is made. We generally recommend MIT/BSD-style licenses, and LLGPL over
> GPL, but GPL is ok too.
>
> Also, I'm not quite sure what you mean by "development engine". Is
> that another name for IDE, or something totally different?

Basically, it is a set of libraries to build frame and workflow-based
applications atop of them and probably some tool applications inside (not
sure yet).

>
> Otherwise I approve -- pending the license.

Well, GPL seems to meet most of my requirements for licensing issues, so
I'll prefer using it.

P.S. By the way, is there any way to use Arch revision system on
common-lisp.net?

Thanks in advance,
Yurii.

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From mb at bese.it  Thu Dec 11 13:49:59 2003
From: mb at bese.it (Marco Baringer)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 14:49:59 +0100
Subject: [admin] new project suggestion
In-Reply-To: <003d01c3bfea$d666ce20$630a0a0a@kiev.ua.ddlabs.com> (Yurii A.
	Rashkovskii's message of "Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:29:16 +0200")
References: <003d01c3bfea$d666ce20$630a0a0a@kiev.ua.ddlabs.com>
Message-ID: <m2he07h3aw.fsf@bese.it>


"Yurii A. Rashkovskii" <yrashk at fp.org.ua> writes:

> > I'd prefer the license issues were settled before a hosting decision
> > is made. We generally recommend MIT/BSD-style licenses, and LLGPL
> > over GPL, but GPL is ok too.
> >
> > Also, I'm not quite sure what you mean by "development engine". Is
> > that another name for IDE, or something totally different?
>
> Basically, it is a set of libraries to build frame and
> workflow-based applications atop of them and probably some tool
> applications inside (notsure yet).
>
> > Otherwise I approve -- pending the license.
>
> Well, GPL seems to meet most of my requirements for licensing
> issues, so I'll prefer using it.

This means that you can't _use_ BSD code and distribute the result.

>From section 2 of the GPL:
-----
b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in
whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any part
thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties
under the terms of this License.
-----

This means that you'll have to find a GPL'd compiler to target, and
you'll only be able to use GPL'd libraries. The fact the lisp leaves
you no option but to "link" directly to other code makes the GPL far
more restrictive than it is for compile-edit-debug languages.

> P.S. By the way, is there any way to use Arch revision system
> oncommon-lisp.net?

the following projects already do: ubf, bese and ucw. I'd be happy to
give you a hand setting it up if need be.

> Thanks in 
> advance,Yurii.

-- 
-Marco
Ring the bells that still can ring.
Forget your perfect offering.
There is a crack in everything.
That's how the light gets in.
     -Leonard Cohen




From nikodemus at random-state.net  Thu Dec 11 13:53:37 2003
From: nikodemus at random-state.net (Nikodemus Siivola)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:53:37 +0200
Subject: [admin] OT: GPL. Was: new project suggestion
In-Reply-To: <m2he07h3aw.fsf@bese.it>
References: <003d01c3bfea$d666ce20$630a0a0a@kiev.ua.ddlabs.com>
	<m2he07h3aw.fsf@bese.it>
Message-ID: <20031211135336.GB705@random-state.net>

Ok, this really went off topic.

[ Disclaimer: I'm NOT speaking as a representative of Common-lisp.net
  below, but as a private individual with private opinions and views. ]

On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 02:49:59PM +0100, Marco Baringer wrote:

> > Well, GPL seems to meet most of my requirements for licensing
> > issues, so I'll prefer using it.

> This means that you can't _use_ BSD code and distribute the result.

As much as I'd hope it was so, it ain't. ;)

 http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#TOCGPLCompatibleLicenses

The definition of gpl-compatible is on the same page. Outcome: GPL'd
code can use BSD code as much as it wants.

What GPL *does* mean, is that non-GPL projects cannot use the
code. And since many lispers prefer non-GPL licenses that is usually a
fairly significant factor -- for libraries at least.

> This means that you'll have to find a GPL'd compiler to target, and
> you'll only be able to use GPL'd libraries.

As above, not so.

> The fact the lisp leaves you no option but to "link" directly to
> other code makes the GPL far more restrictive than it is for
> compile-edit-debug languages.

This is very true. Where two C-programs talk over a pipe, the natural
lisp way is a normal function call. Non-GPL code can use GPL'd code
over a pipe (or a socket, or whatever), but not via a function call.

Cheers,

 -- Nikodemus Siivola, in favor of free-as-in-gift



From mb at bese.it  Thu Dec 11 14:21:58 2003
From: mb at bese.it (Marco Baringer)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:21:58 +0100
Subject: [admin] new project suggestion
In-Reply-To: <m2he07h3aw.fsf@bese.it> (Marco Baringer's message of "Thu, 11
	Dec 2003 14:49:59 +0100")
References: <003d01c3bfea$d666ce20$630a0a0a@kiev.ua.ddlabs.com>
	<m2he07h3aw.fsf@bese.it>
Message-ID: <m2n09zfn95.fsf@bese.it>

Marco Baringer <mb at bese.it> writes:

>> Well, GPL seems to meet most of my requirements for licensing
>> issues, so I'll prefer using it.
>
> This means that you can't _use_ BSD code and distribute the result.

as has been pointed out this is incorrect. political reasons asside
the gpl is no worse for lisp code than it is for other code.

[this thread will spiral out of contral very very quickly, i'm killing
it.]

-- 
-Marco
Ring the bells that still can ring.
Forget your perfect offering.
There is a crack in everything.
That's how the light gets in.
     -Leonard Cohen




From yrashk at fp.org.ua  Thu Dec 11 14:08:45 2003
From: yrashk at fp.org.ua (Yurii A. Rashkovskii)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:08:45 +0200
Subject: [admin] new project suggestion
Message-ID: <004601c3bff0$5cc7cc80$630a0a0a@kiev.ua.ddlabs.com>

Marco, 

>> Well, GPL seems to meet most of my requirements for licensing
>> issues, so I'll prefer using it.

>This means that you can't _use_ BSD code and distribute the result.
>
>>From section 2 of the GPL:
>-----
>b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in
>whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any part
>thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties
>under the terms of this License.
>-----

>This means that you'll have to find a GPL'd compiler to target, and
>you'll only be able to use GPL'd libraries. The fact the lisp leaves
>you no option but to "link" directly to other code makes the GPL far
>more restrictive than it is for compile-edit-debug languages.

In fact, I'm really far away from open source licensing issues and can't eloborate precisely at this time.
Also I've thought about LLGPL, probably it will be really better than GPL for Lisp development.

As far as I understand, LLGPL is also permitted on cl.net?

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From nikodemus at random-state.net  Thu Dec 11 13:57:48 2003
From: nikodemus at random-state.net (Nikodemus Siivola)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:57:48 +0200
Subject: [admin] new project suggestion
In-Reply-To: <004601c3bff0$5cc7cc80$630a0a0a@kiev.ua.ddlabs.com>
References: <004601c3bff0$5cc7cc80$630a0a0a@kiev.ua.ddlabs.com>
Message-ID: <20031211135748.GC705@random-state.net>

On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 04:08:45PM +0200, Yurii A. Rashkovskii wrote:

> As far as I understand, LLGPL is also permitted on cl.net?

Yes. All OSI/DSFG free licenses are OK.

Cheers,

 -- Nikodemus



From yrashk at fp.org.ua  Thu Dec 11 14:27:13 2003
From: yrashk at fp.org.ua (Yurii A. Rashkovskii)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:27:13 +0200
Subject: [admin] new project suggestion
Message-ID: <005301c3bff2$eff99d10$630a0a0a@kiev.ua.ddlabs.com>

> As far as I understand, LLGPL is also permitted on cl.net?

>Yes. All OSI/DSFG free licenses are OK.

Ok. So, if you will approve my project entry for hosting, I'd like to use LLGPL.

Thanks in advance,
Yurii.
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From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de  Thu Dec 11 14:30:58 2003
From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:30:58 +0100
Subject: [admin] new project suggestion
In-Reply-To: <005301c3bff2$eff99d10$630a0a0a@kiev.ua.ddlabs.com>
References: <005301c3bff2$eff99d10$630a0a0a@kiev.ua.ddlabs.com>
Message-ID: <fzptev1l5p.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>

"Yurii A. Rashkovskii" <yrashk at fp.org.ua> writes:
> > As far as I understand, LLGPL is also permitted on cl.net?
> 
> >Yes. All OSI/DSFG free licenses are OK.
> 
> Ok. So, if you will approve my project entry for hosting, I'd like to use LLGPL.

Approved :)

Regards,
        Mario.




From luke at bluetail.com  Fri Dec 12 17:12:39 2003
From: luke at bluetail.com (Luke Gorrie)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:12:39 -0000
Subject: [admin] Embarrassing..
Message-ID: <lhvfom3qn7.fsf@dodo.bluetail.com>

Hi guys,

I, uh, forgot the administrator password for the slime-devel mailing
list. Can't find the email anywhere.

Could you please reset it, e.g. to the string in
~lgorrie/slime-devel.password ?

Swear it won't happen again.. :-)




From root at common-lisp.net  Fri Dec 12 18:22:23 2003
From: root at common-lisp.net (root)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:22:23 -0500
Subject: [admin] added mod-lisp; owned by mbattyani
Message-ID: <E1AUrvj-000265-00@common-lisp.net>

Add successful at 2003.12.12.13.22.



From root at common-lisp.net  Fri Dec 12 18:22:43 2003
From: root at common-lisp.net (root)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:22:43 -0500
Subject: [admin] added cl-pdf; owned by mbattyani
Message-ID: <E1AUrw3-00029R-00@common-lisp.net>

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From root at common-lisp.net  Fri Dec 12 18:23:01 2003
From: root at common-lisp.net (root)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:23:01 -0500
Subject: [admin] added cl-typesetting; owned by mbattyani
Message-ID: <E1AUrwL-0002CG-00@common-lisp.net>

Add successful at 2003.12.12.13.23.



From root at common-lisp.net  Fri Dec 12 18:24:30 2003
From: root at common-lisp.net (root)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:24:30 -0500
Subject: [admin] added encline; owned by yrashkovskii
Message-ID: <E1AUrxm-0002Xz-00@common-lisp.net>

Add successful at 2003.12.12.13.24.



From nikodemus at random-state.net  Sat Dec 13 13:11:22 2003
From: nikodemus at random-state.net (Nikodemus Siivola)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 15:11:22 +0200
Subject: [admin] Project listing
Message-ID: <20031213131122.GA703@random-state.net>

I propose that we extend the "Projects" page to include the name of a
contact person (default to owner), a valid but obscured email-address
for the same, and a one-line description for the project.

Also, as a quick first measure to pacify Paolo I've made a version of
the sample page named temporary.shtml we could put up for those
projects that have no webpages.

When putting this tmp-page up I would also like to email all project
owners who need to put up proper pages with the suggestion that they
edit the page to contain a short description of their project, plus
links to mailing lists and repository.

Cheers,

 -- Nikodemus



From lgorrie at nortelnetworks.com  Mon Dec 15 00:05:24 2003
From: lgorrie at nortelnetworks.com (Luke Gorrie)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 00:05:24 -0000
Subject: [admin] New SLIME CVS user
Message-ID: <lh8ylfdjxj.fsf@dodo.bluetail.com>

Hi common-lisp.net'ers,

Could we hook up Alan Ruttenberg <alanralanr at comcast.net> with SLIME
CVS-commit access please?

Cheers,
Luke




From luke at bluetail.com  Mon Dec 15 03:17:51 2003
From: luke at bluetail.com (Luke Gorrie)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 03:17:51 -0000
Subject: [admin] Re: New SLIME CVS user
In-Reply-To: <lh8ylfdjxj.fsf@dodo.bluetail.com>
References: <lh8ylfdjxj.fsf@dodo.bluetail.com>
Message-ID: <lhfzfmdayx.fsf@dodo.bluetail.com>

Luke Gorrie <luke at bluetail.com> writes:

> Hi common-lisp.net'ers,
> 
> Could we hook up Alan Ruttenberg <alanralanr at comcast.net> with SLIME
> CVS-commit access please?

Oops, I forgot the protocol -- Alan, could you mail your ssh public
key to admin at common-lisp.net?

-Luke




From nikodemus at random-state.net  Mon Dec 15 08:43:42 2003
From: nikodemus at random-state.net (Nikodemus Siivola)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:43:42 +0200
Subject: [admin] Re: New SLIME CVS user
In-Reply-To: <lhfzfmdayx.fsf@dodo.bluetail.com>
References: <lh8ylfdjxj.fsf@dodo.bluetail.com>
	<lhfzfmdayx.fsf@dodo.bluetail.com>
Message-ID: <20031215084341.GA726@random-state.net>

On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 04:19:18AM +0100, Luke Gorrie wrote:

> > Could we hook up Alan Ruttenberg <alanralanr at comcast.net> with SLIME
> > CVS-commit access please?
> 
> Oops, I forgot the protocol -- Alan, could you mail your ssh public
> key to admin at common-lisp.net?

Or rather your GPG/PGP public key. If you don't have one, have a look
at htpp://www.gnupg.org for directions and documentation: your account
password will be mailed to you encrypted with it.

Ob protocol: we should probably require "please add user" requests,
etc, to be signed as well. So at the risk of sounding anal retentive
-- Luke, could you resend this request accompanied with a GPG
signature...

Cheers,

 -- Nikodemus, trying to get hip on this crypto stuff
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From eenge at prium.net  Mon Dec 15 16:03:03 2003
From: eenge at prium.net (Erik Enge)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:03:03 -0500
Subject: [admin] New SLIME CVS user
In-Reply-To: <mailman.765.1071446726.20290.admin@common-lisp.net> (Luke
	Gorrie's message of "15 Dec 2003 01:05:44 +0100")
References: <mailman.765.1071446726.20290.admin@common-lisp.net>
Message-ID: <87vfoi6pc8.fsf@prium.net>

Luke Gorrie <lgorrie at nortelnetworks.com> writes:

> Could we hook up Alan Ruttenberg <alanralanr at comcast.net> with SLIME
> CVS-commit access please?

Alan, you sent us your ssh keys but what I need is your GPG public key.
http://www.gnupg.org/ has some good resources on creating them.

Erik.



From alanralanr at comcast.net  Mon Dec 15 19:16:26 2003
From: alanralanr at comcast.net (Alan Ruttenberg)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:16:26 -0500
Subject: [admin] New SLIME CVS user Alan Ruttenberg
In-Reply-To: <87vfoi6pc8.fsf@prium.net>
References: <mailman.765.1071446726.20290.admin@common-lisp.net>
	<87vfoi6pc8.fsf@prium.net>
Message-ID: <2DAA0789-2F33-11D8-BEB5-000A95DA5F3C@comcast.net>

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On Dec 15, 2003, at 11:03 AM, Erik Enge wrote:

> Luke Gorrie <lgorrie at nortelnetworks.com> writes:
>
>> Could we hook up Alan Ruttenberg <alanralanr at comcast.net> with SLIME
>> CVS-commit access please?
>
> Alan, you sent us your ssh keys but what I need is your GPG public key.
> http://www.gnupg.org/ has some good resources on creating them.
>
> Erik.




From alanralanr at comcast.net  Mon Dec 15 06:19:33 2003
From: alanralanr at comcast.net (Alan Ruttenberg)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 01:19:33 -0500
Subject: [admin] ssh public key
Message-ID: <A61F4DD8-2EC6-11D8-BA4E-000A95DA5F3C@comcast.net>

ssh-dss  
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From eenge at prium.net  Tue Dec 16 21:20:55 2003
From: eenge at prium.net (Erik Enge)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:20:55 -0500
Subject: [admin] rename net-nittin-irc to cl-irc
Message-ID: <873cbk793c.fsf@prium.net>

Several people have mentioned a namechange and today kmr suggested
cl-irc.  If nobody objects I'd like to rename net-nittin-irc to cl-irc.

Erik.



From nikodemus at random-state.net  Tue Dec 16 21:17:29 2003
From: nikodemus at random-state.net (Nikodemus Siivola)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:17:29 +0200
Subject: [admin] rename net-nittin-irc to cl-irc
In-Reply-To: <873cbk793c.fsf@prium.net>
References: <873cbk793c.fsf@prium.net>
Message-ID: <20031216211728.GA5122@random-state.net>

On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 04:20:55PM -0500, Erik Enge wrote:

> Several people have mentioned a namechange and today kmr suggested
> cl-irc.  If nobody objects I'd like to rename net-nittin-irc to cl-irc.

I approve. I'd suggest keeping the old urls up for a couple of months
at least, though.

Cheer, 

 -- Nikodemus Siivola, Told you so. ;-)
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From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de  Tue Dec 16 22:03:02 2003
From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:03:02 +0100
Subject: [admin] rename net-nittin-irc to cl-irc
In-Reply-To: <20031216211728.GA5122@random-state.net>
References: <873cbk793c.fsf@prium.net> <20031216211728.GA5122@random-state.net>
Message-ID: <fzwu8w7755.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>

Nikodemus Siivola <nikodemus at random-state.net> writes:
> On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 04:20:55PM -0500, Erik Enge wrote:
> 
> > Several people have mentioned a namechange and today kmr suggested
> > cl-irc.  If nobody objects I'd like to rename net-nittin-irc to cl-irc.
> 
> I approve. I'd suggest keeping the old urls up for a couple of months
> at least, though.

/me approves too :)

Regards,
        Mario.




From yrashk at fp.org.ua  Mon Dec 22 12:35:58 2003
From: yrashk at fp.org.ua (Yurii A. Rashkovskii)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 14:35:58 +0200
Subject: [admin] Arch
Message-ID: <006f01c3c888$3a431c50$630a0a0a@kiev.ua.ddlabs.com>

By the way, how could I use Arch on common-lisp.net?

Regards,
Yurii.
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From nikodemus at random-state.net  Mon Dec 22 12:38:38 2003
From: nikodemus at random-state.net (Nikodemus Siivola)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 14:38:38 +0200
Subject: [admin] Arch
In-Reply-To: <006f01c3c888$3a431c50$630a0a0a@kiev.ua.ddlabs.com>
References: <006f01c3c888$3a431c50$630a0a0a@kiev.ua.ddlabs.com>
Message-ID: <20031222123837.GA744@random-state.net>

On Mon, Dec 22, 2003 at 02:35:58PM +0200, Yurii A. Rashkovskii wrote:

> By the way, how could I use Arch on common-lisp.net?

In the short term your best option is to contact Andreas Fuchs or
Marco Baringer: both are using arch on the common-lisp.net projects
(ubf, ucw, bese at least) and ask them.

We, the administrators are still largely baffled by Arch...

Eventually we hope to compile (or get someone to do it) a short arch
howto for common-lisp.net, but one does not yet exist.

Cheers,

 -- Nikodemus



From edi at agharta.de  Sat Dec 27 01:54:22 2003
From: edi at agharta.de (Edi Weitz)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 02:54:22 +0100
Subject: [admin] Application for a number of projects
Message-ID: <87k74jyqi9.fsf@bird.agharta.de>

Hi!

I'd like to follow Marc Battyani's lead (actually, I made him do
it... :) and use your services to host mailing lists for existing Lisp
projects. The plan is that the projects will stay where they are now
but will be amended by mailing lists (and maybe CVS access later
on). If that's possible, I'd like to apply for the following projects:

  - cl-ppcre <http://weitz.de/cl-ppcre/>
  - cl-gd <http://weitz.de/cl-gd/>
  - cl-who <http:/weitz.de/cl-who/>
  - html-template <http://weitz.de/html-template/>
  - cl-interpol <http://weitz.de/cl-interpol/>

Plus, it would be nice if I could use a common-lisp.net mailing list
for "The Regex Coach" <http://weitz.de/regex-coach/> as well. This
application is not "open source" but it's freeware. I don't know if
this kind of software is covered by your acceptance policies but I
think the program is a good poster child for Common Lisp... :)

Thanks in advance.

Happy Holidays,
Edi.

-- 
Dr. Edmund Weitz
Hamburg
Germany



From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de  Mon Dec 29 08:20:46 2003
From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 09:20:46 +0100
Subject: [admin] Application for a number of projects
In-Reply-To: <87k74jyqi9.fsf@bird.agharta.de>
References: <87k74jyqi9.fsf@bird.agharta.de>
Message-ID: <fzhdzkhw69.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>


Hi Edi,

I'm sorry for the delay, but we are all a bit busy now ;)

Edi Weitz <edi at agharta.de> writes:
> I'd like to follow Marc Battyani's lead (actually, I made him do
> it... :) and use your services to host mailing lists for existing Lisp
> projects. The plan is that the projects will stay where they are now
> but will be amended by mailing lists (and maybe CVS access later
> on). If that's possible, I'd like to apply for the following projects:
> 
>   - cl-ppcre <http://weitz.de/cl-ppcre/>
>   - cl-gd <http://weitz.de/cl-gd/>
>   - cl-who <http:/weitz.de/cl-who/>
>   - html-template <http://weitz.de/html-template/>
>   - cl-interpol <http://weitz.de/cl-interpol/>

Looks ok. Are these all under the BSD licence?

> Plus, it would be nice if I could use a common-lisp.net mailing list
> for "The Regex Coach" <http://weitz.de/regex-coach/> as well. This
> application is not "open source" but it's freeware. I don't know if
> this kind of software is covered by your acceptance policies but I
> think the program is a good poster child for Common Lisp... :)

That's a good question. I don't see a problem with this particular
app. For this app I approve.

Regards,
        Mario.




From edi at agharta.de  Mon Dec 29 09:58:39 2003
From: edi at agharta.de (Edi Weitz)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 10:58:39 +0100
Subject: [admin] Application for a number of projects
In-Reply-To: <fzhdzkhw69.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de> (Mario Mommer's
	message of "Mon, 29 Dec 2003 09:20:46 +0100")
References: <87k74jyqi9.fsf@bird.agharta.de>
	<fzhdzkhw69.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
Message-ID: <878ykwt06o.fsf@bird.agharta.de>

Hi Mario!

On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 09:20:46 +0100, Mario Mommer <mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de> wrote:

> I'm sorry for the delay, but we are all a bit busy now ;)

Me too... :)

>>   - cl-ppcre <http://weitz.de/cl-ppcre/>
>>   - cl-gd <http://weitz.de/cl-gd/>
>>   - cl-who <http:/weitz.de/cl-who/>
>>   - html-template <http://weitz.de/html-template/>
>>   - cl-interpol <http://weitz.de/cl-interpol/>
>
> Looks ok. Are these all under the BSD licence?

Yes.

> That's a good question. I don't see a problem with this particular
> app. For this app I approve.

Thanks.

What's the next step?

Cheers,
Edi.



From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de  Mon Dec 29 20:37:27 2003
From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 21:37:27 +0100
Subject: [admin] Application for a number of projects
In-Reply-To: <878ykwt06o.fsf@bird.agharta.de>
References: <87k74jyqi9.fsf@bird.agharta.de>
	<fzhdzkhw69.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
	<878ykwt06o.fsf@bird.agharta.de>
Message-ID: <fzisjz8ins.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>

Edi Weitz <edi at agharta.de> writes:
> >>   - cl-ppcre <http://weitz.de/cl-ppcre/>
> >>   - cl-gd <http://weitz.de/cl-gd/>
> >>   - cl-who <http:/weitz.de/cl-who/>
> >>   - html-template <http://weitz.de/html-template/>
> >>   - cl-interpol <http://weitz.de/cl-interpol/>
> >
> > Looks ok. Are these all under the BSD licence?
> 
> Yes.

Ok, then I approve.

> What's the next step?

Nikodemus Siivola and Erik Enge still have to give their votes. When
that happens, you get further instructions by mail (essentially
p4sswords, &.c. if all went well.)

Regards,
        Mario.