From eenge at prium.net  Thu Aug  7 20:17:04 2003
From: eenge at prium.net (Erik Enge)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 16:17:04 -0400
Subject: [Admin] testing
Message-ID: <87znilp6in.fsf@prium.net>




From erik at nittin.net  Tue Aug 12 18:51:25 2003
From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:51:25 -0400
Subject: [Admin] adding project "bese"
Message-ID: <87d6fad80i.fsf@nittin.net>

Marco Baringer is the owner of project "bese".

It will contain, at least, these packages:

  it.bese.arnesi - Marco Baringer's personal utility package

  it.bese.FiveAM - Simple Common Lisp testing framework

  it.bese.yaclml - Yet Another Common Lisp Markup Language

Erik.



From root at common-lisp.net  Wed Aug 13 14:01:58 2003
From: root at common-lisp.net (root)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:01:58 -0400
Subject: [Admin] added rfc2822; owned by eenge
Message-ID: <E19mwCM-0002Is-00@common-lisp.net>

Add successful at 2003.08.13.10.01.



From nikodemus at random-state.net  Wed Aug 13 16:55:09 2003
From: nikodemus at random-state.net (nikodemus at random-state.net)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 19:55:09 +0300
Subject: [Admin] Hosting request
Message-ID: <20030813165509.GJ774@random-state.net>

[ Before you all wonder if I've lost my mind: no. This will serve as a
  test-case for auditing projects for hosting. This also means that
  politeness is *not* expected. To avoid conflict of interest ,)= I
  will not take part in this conversation unless clarification, etc is
  asked. ]

I'm requesting hosting for my project "Linedit".

Linedit is a Common Lisp line-editing library, licensed under a
BSD-style license.

It is currently SBCL specific, and depends on termios via FFI. UFFI
support will be added later.

I'm currently the only project member.

Linedit as currently available at:

 http://random-state.net/files/linedit-latest.tar.gz

Cheers,

 -- Nikodemus
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From erik-nittin at imeme.net  Wed Aug 13 18:13:27 2003
From: erik-nittin at imeme.net (erik-nittin at imeme.net)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 18:13:27 -0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Admin] Hosting request
In-Reply-To: <20030813165509.GJ774@random-state.net>
References: <20030813165509.GJ774@random-state.net>
Message-ID: <47319.216.248.178.227.1060798407.squirrel@imeme.net>

> I'm requesting hosting for my project "Linedit".

I don't see any problems.  Mommer?

Erik.





From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de  Wed Aug 13 20:24:32 2003
From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 22:24:32 +0200
Subject: [Admin] Hosting request
In-Reply-To: <47319.216.248.178.227.1060798407.squirrel@imeme.net>
References: <20030813165509.GJ774@random-state.net>
	<47319.216.248.178.227.1060798407.squirrel@imeme.net>
Message-ID: <fz8ypxfgqn.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>

erik-nittin at imeme.net writes:
> > I'm requesting hosting for my project "Linedit".
> 
> I don't see any problems.  Mommer?
> 
> Erik.

Nope :-)

I wonder if the rule should be "if after 48h nobody objects, it is
accepted"?

Mario.




From erik at nittin.net  Wed Aug 13 20:43:49 2003
From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:43:49 -0400
Subject: [Admin] Hosting request
In-Reply-To: <fz8ypxfgqn.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de> (Mario Mommer's
	message of "Wed, 13 Aug 2003 22:24:32 +0200")
References: <20030813165509.GJ774@random-state.net>
	<47319.216.248.178.227.1060798407.squirrel@imeme.net>
	<fz8ypxfgqn.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
Message-ID: <87k79h9tkq.fsf@nittin.net>

[Apologies for duplicates.]

Mario Mommer <mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de> writes:

> I wonder if the rule should be "if after 48h nobody objects, it is
> accepted"?

Sounds reasonble.  Can you create a policy.txt (in the clo repository)
so we don't forget these rules we make?

Erik.



From nikodemus at random-state.net  Wed Aug 13 23:59:12 2003
From: nikodemus at random-state.net (nikodemus at random-state.net)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 02:59:12 +0300
Subject: [Admin] Hosting request
In-Reply-To: <fz8ypxfgqn.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
References: <20030813165509.GJ774@random-state.net>
	<47319.216.248.178.227.1060798407.squirrel@imeme.net>
	<fz8ypxfgqn.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
Message-ID: <20030813235912.GB3863@random-state.net>

On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 10:24:32PM +0200, Mario Mommer wrote:

> I wonder if the rule should be "if after 48h nobody objects, it is
> accepted"?

And have lispM2000-kool accepted because everybody is too busy to object?

As an alternative, I'd suggest that for every request someone has to
play devil's advocate and say why it should NOT be accepted. Then the
others can either say "geez, don't be silly" or "hmm. there's a point
there". 

Also, who are on this list currently? Me, Erik, Mario?

If so, I suggest we invite the others on the earlier email-circuit to
join without votes: they get voices, but no votes if things ever
degenerate to a shouting match.

Furthermore, I suppose we should have a terms of service somewhere
that says that if they don't play nice we will kick them all the way
to FORTRAN-land.

Cheers,

 -- Nikodemus
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From erik at nittin.net  Wed Aug 13 18:15:11 2003
From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:15:11 -0400
Subject: [Admin] Hosting request
In-Reply-To: <20030813235912.GB3863@random-state.net>
	(nikodemus@random-state.net's
	message of "Thu, 14 Aug 2003 02:59:12 +0300")
References: <20030813165509.GJ774@random-state.net>
	<47319.216.248.178.227.1060798407.squirrel@imeme.net>
	<fz8ypxfgqn.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
	<20030813235912.GB3863@random-state.net>
Message-ID: <874r0lqv9s.fsf@nittin.net>

nikodemus at random-state.net writes:

> If so, I suggest we invite the others on the earlier email-circuit to
> join without votes: they get voices, but no votes if things ever
> degenerate to a shouting match.

I agree.  Go get them!  ;)

Erik.



From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de  Thu Aug 14 15:46:35 2003
From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:46:35 +0200
Subject: [Admin] Hosting request
In-Reply-To: <20030813235912.GB3863@random-state.net>
References: <20030813165509.GJ774@random-state.net>
	<47319.216.248.178.227.1060798407.squirrel@imeme.net>
	<fz8ypxfgqn.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
	<20030813235912.GB3863@random-state.net>
Message-ID: <fzbrusmeck.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>

nikodemus at random-state.net writes:
> On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 10:24:32PM +0200, Mario Mommer wrote:
> 
> > I wonder if the rule should be "if after 48h nobody objects, it is
> > accepted"?
> 
> And have lispM2000-kool accepted because everybody is too busy to object?

:)

Good point.

> As an alternative, I'd suggest that for every request someone has to
> play devil's advocate and say why it should NOT be accepted. Then the
> others can either say "geez, don't be silly" or "hmm. there's a point
> there". 

Well, I don't know. If there is nothing to be said, then nothing
should be said, IMO. How do the sourceforge/savannah people do this?

> Furthermore, I suppose we should have a terms of service somewhere
> that says that if they don't play nice we will kick them all the way
> to FORTRAN-land.

Again, how do sf/savannah do this? I bet you have to sign
electronically some contract with them, absolving them from any
responsability etc.

Should we seek legal advice?

Mario.




From nikodemus at random-state.net  Thu Aug 14 21:26:36 2003
From: nikodemus at random-state.net (Nikodemus Siivola)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 00:26:36 +0300
Subject: [Admin] Hosting request
In-Reply-To: <fzbrusmeck.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
References: <20030813165509.GJ774@random-state.net>
	<47319.216.248.178.227.1060798407.squirrel@imeme.net>
	<fz8ypxfgqn.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
	<20030813235912.GB3863@random-state.net>
	<fzbrusmeck.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
Message-ID: <20030814212636.GA1516@random-state.net>

On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 05:46:35PM +0200, Mario Mommer wrote:

> > As an alternative, I'd suggest that for every request someone has to
> > play devil's advocate and say why it should NOT be accepted. Then the
> > others can either say "geez, don't be silly" or "hmm. there's a point
> > there". 
> 
> Well, I don't know. If there is nothing to be said, then nothing
> should be said, IMO. 

I'd say that there is *always* something to say. ;) Being nasty just
takes some effort. But point taken.

> How do the sourceforge/savannah people do this?

As far as I can tell (including personal experience with Savannah)
they mostly check that the license is valid considering the dependencies,
and that the project description seems like the a person making the
application actually know what they are doing.

Also, my impression is that Savannah assigns someone to vet each
request -- and that the criteria vary from people to people.

> > Furthermore, I suppose we should have a terms of service somewhere
> > that says that if they don't play nice we will kick them all the way
> > to FORTRAN-land.
> 
> Again, how do sf/savannah do this? I bet you have to sign
> electronically some contract with them, absolving them from any
> responsability etc.

If by electronically signing you mean "by submitting this form you
agree to ..."  or equivalent, yes.

Propos legal advice is something I don't think we either need or can
afford. However, something along the lines of

 Common-lisp.net is run and funded by volunteers, as they see fit.

 If people runnign of Common-lisp.net see fit to delete you project
 and replace it with mp3's of heavy metal played backwards you
 have probably earned it. 

 If people runnign Common-lisp.net spill coffee on their keyboard and
 cause a short circuit that emties all your back account, it's solely
 your own fault due to associating with a computer language not made
 for human consumption.

 Moreover:

 By using the hosting services ("service") of Common-lisp.net you
 agree that the service is provided "as is",

  ... insert few clauses from any terms of service lying around the net ...

But then, again, I live in a country that has an actual legal system
as opposed to the bizarre inventions used in some coutries. ;)

Cheers,

 -- Nikodemus
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From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de  Fri Aug 15 10:11:33 2003
From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:11:33 +0200
Subject: [Admin] Hosting request
In-Reply-To: <20030814212636.GA1516@random-state.net>
References: <20030813165509.GJ774@random-state.net>
	<47319.216.248.178.227.1060798407.squirrel@imeme.net>
	<fz8ypxfgqn.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
	<20030813235912.GB3863@random-state.net>
	<fzbrusmeck.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
	<20030814212636.GA1516@random-state.net>
Message-ID: <fz8ypv6xii.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>

Nikodemus Siivola <nikodemus at random-state.net> writes:
> > How do the sourceforge/savannah people do this?
> 
> As far as I can tell (including personal experience with Savannah)
> they mostly check that the license is valid considering the dependencies,
> and that the project description seems like the a person making the
> application actually know what they are doing.

I assume they make sure their bases are covered whenever something
like the d1g1tal m1l3nium c0pyr1ght h4ck hits the fan.

> Also, my impression is that Savannah assigns someone to vet each
> request -- and that the criteria vary from people to people.

I think that this would be overkill for us. We can adopt something
like this later if we feel it is necessary.

> > Again, how do sf/savannah do this? I bet you have to sign
> > electronically some contract with them, absolving them from any
> > responsability etc.
> 
> If by electronically signing you mean "by submitting this form you
> agree to ..."  or equivalent, yes.

Yes, that was what I meant.

> Propos legal advice is something I don't think we either need or can
> afford. However, something along the lines of
> 
>  Common-lisp.net is run and funded by volunteers, as they see fit.
> 
>  If people runnign of Common-lisp.net see fit to delete you project
>  and replace it with mp3's of heavy metal played backwards you
>  have probably earned it. 
> 
>  If people runnign Common-lisp.net spill coffee on their keyboard and
>  cause a short circuit that emties all your back account, it's solely
>  your own fault due to associating with a computer language not made
>  for human consumption.

:))

Something like that, but in a form which is humor-impaired-proof. In
essence, it should say thet we can do anything, with the understanding
that we are responsible people and plan to do the right thing as often
as humanely possible:

 Common-lisp.net is run and funded by volunteers, as they see fit. By
 using this site you accept the following terms and conditions.

        * We do not have any obligation of accepting your project on
          any grounds.

        * We can do anything with whatever data you have in
          common-lisp.net, for whatever reason.

        * You will not hold us responsible before the law for anything
          in relation to common-lisp.net.

>  Moreover:
> 
>  By using the hosting services ("service") of Common-lisp.net you
>  agree that the service is provided "as is",
> 
>   ... insert few clauses from any terms of service lying around the
>   net ...

... and which can be borrowed just like that ...
 
> But then, again, I live in a country that has an actual legal system
> as opposed to the bizarre inventions used in some coutries. ;)

On what planet are you? Certainly not on earth, the densest planet of
the solar system. ;)

...but yes, I've heard that up there they actually have quite sensible
laws, lawyers and judges.

Regards,
        Mario.

P.S: I'll be back online on monday. Have a nice weekend!




From erik at nittin.net  Fri Aug 15 17:04:41 2003
From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:04:41 -0400
Subject: [Admin] Hosting request
In-Reply-To: <fz8ypv6xii.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de> (Mario Mommer's
	message of "Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:11:33 +0200")
References: <20030813165509.GJ774@random-state.net>
	<47319.216.248.178.227.1060798407.squirrel@imeme.net>
	<fz8ypxfgqn.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
	<20030813235912.GB3863@random-state.net>
	<fzbrusmeck.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
	<20030814212636.GA1516@random-state.net>
	<fz8ypv6xii.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
Message-ID: <87u18i7sye.fsf@nittin.net>

Mario Mommer <mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de> writes:

>         * We can do anything with whatever data you have in
>         common-lisp.net, for whatever reason.

No, we cannot violate their license, can we?

> ...but yes, I've heard that up there they actually have quite sensible
> laws, lawyers and judges.

Let's make it short and sweet.  To the point without belaboring anyone.
Essentially:

  - We can deny your request as we see fit.

  - If we screw up your data don't hold us accountable.

  - We can recind our offer of hosting to you at any time for whatever
  reason.

  - Don't do anything illegal on/with the box.

Erik.



From erik at nittin.net  Fri Aug 15 17:06:43 2003
From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:06:43 -0400
Subject: [Admin] Hosting request
In-Reply-To: <87u18i7sye.fsf@nittin.net> (Erik Enge's message of "Fri, 15
	Aug 2003 13:04:41 -0400")
References: <20030813165509.GJ774@random-state.net>
	<47319.216.248.178.227.1060798407.squirrel@imeme.net>
	<fz8ypxfgqn.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
	<20030813235912.GB3863@random-state.net>
	<fzbrusmeck.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
	<20030814212636.GA1516@random-state.net>
	<fz8ypv6xii.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de> <87u18i7sye.fsf@nittin.net>
Message-ID: <87ptj67sv0.fsf@nittin.net>

Erik Enge <erik at nittin.net> writes:

> No, we cannot violate their license, can we?

And their copyright, I presume.

Erik.



From nikodemus at random-state.net  Sat Aug 16 19:40:21 2003
From: nikodemus at random-state.net (Nikodemus Siivola)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 22:40:21 +0300
Subject: [Admin] Hosting request
In-Reply-To: <87u18i7sye.fsf@nittin.net>
References: <20030813165509.GJ774@random-state.net>
	<47319.216.248.178.227.1060798407.squirrel@imeme.net>
	<fz8ypxfgqn.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
	<20030813235912.GB3863@random-state.net>
	<fzbrusmeck.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
	<20030814212636.GA1516@random-state.net>
	<fz8ypv6xii.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
	<87u18i7sye.fsf@nittin.net>
Message-ID: <20030816194021.GB2867@random-state.net>

On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 01:04:41PM -0400, Erik Enge wrote:

> Let's make it short and sweet.  To the point without belaboring anyone.

Here's my attempt at hosting terms, based on both Erik's and Mario's
suggestions:

"Common-lisp.net is run and funded by volunteers, as they see fit. By
using this site and you accepr the following terms and conditions:

 Term Common-lisp.net is used to refer to both the site and the
 volunteers running the site.

 * Common-lisp.net is not under any obligation to accept your hosting
   request, or any other service request you may make.

 * Common-lisp.net may discontinue any service without prior notice.

 * Common-lisp.net is not responsible for any lossage or corruption
   of hosted data, whether accidental or deliberate.

 * Using services provided by Common-lisp.net for any illegal activities
   is grounds for immeadiate termination of any services provided."

Cheers,

 -- Nikodemus
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From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de  Mon Aug 18 15:21:11 2003
From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:21:11 +0200
Subject: [Admin] Hosting request
In-Reply-To: <20030816194021.GB2867@random-state.net>
References: <20030813165509.GJ774@random-state.net>
	<47319.216.248.178.227.1060798407.squirrel@imeme.net>
	<fz8ypxfgqn.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
	<20030813235912.GB3863@random-state.net>
	<fzbrusmeck.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
	<20030814212636.GA1516@random-state.net>
	<fz8ypv6xii.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de> <87u18i7sye.fsf@nittin.net>
	<20030816194021.GB2867@random-state.net>
Message-ID: <fzr83j3sbc.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>

Nikodemus Siivola <nikodemus at random-state.net> writes:
> On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 01:04:41PM -0400, Erik Enge wrote:
> 
> > Let's make it short and sweet.  To the point without belaboring anyone.
> 
> Here's my attempt at hosting terms, based on both Erik's and Mario's
> suggestions:
> 
> "Common-lisp.net is run and funded by volunteers, as they see fit. By
> using this site and you accepr the following terms and conditions:
> 
>  Term Common-lisp.net is used to refer to both the site and the
>  volunteers running the site.
> 
>  * Common-lisp.net is not under any obligation to accept your hosting
>    request, or any other service request you may make.
> 
>  * Common-lisp.net may discontinue any service without prior notice.
> 
>  * Common-lisp.net is not responsible for any lossage or corruption
>    of hosted data, whether accidental or deliberate.
> 
>  * Using services provided by Common-lisp.net for any illegal activities
>    is grounds for immeadiate termination of any services provided."

I would either drop the last point, or instead write that

   * The user is responsible for ensuring that all information he/she
     puts on common-lisp.net is not illegal.

This sounds a bit like the "do not drink" warnings on motor-oil
bottles, but covers our bases without making us responsible for taking
down anything. The reason is that we might well not know for some
time, so we cannot guarantee anything, and we might be all on vacation
or something when it hits. The user should be the only one responsible
if illegal content (whatever that might be) ever enters the site.

Other than that, I think it is a fairly reasonable "terms of use"
list.

Mario.




From nikodemus at random-state.net  Fri Aug 15 19:04:02 2003
From: nikodemus at random-state.net (Nikodemus Siivola)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 22:04:02 +0300
Subject: [Admin] Hosting request
In-Reply-To: <fz8ypv6xii.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
References: <20030813165509.GJ774@random-state.net>
	<47319.216.248.178.227.1060798407.squirrel@imeme.net>
	<fz8ypxfgqn.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
	<20030813235912.GB3863@random-state.net>
	<fzbrusmeck.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
	<20030814212636.GA1516@random-state.net>
	<fz8ypv6xii.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
Message-ID: <20030815190402.GB903@random-state.net>

On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 12:11:33PM +0200, Mario Mommer wrote:

> Something like that, but in a form which is humor-impaired-proof. In
> essence, it should say thet we can do anything, with the understanding
> that we are responsible people and plan to do the right thing as often
> as humanely possible:
> 
>  Common-lisp.net is run and funded by volunteers, as they see fit. By
>  using this site you accept the following terms and conditions.
> 
>         * We do not have any obligation of accepting your project on
>           any grounds.
> 
>         * We can do anything with whatever data you have in
>           common-lisp.net, for whatever reason.
> 
>         * You will not hold us responsible before the law for anything
>           in relation to common-lisp.net.

Ohh. Aah! Very good. As you hinted at, just add postscript:

"We are, however, reasonable people and try to do The Right Thing as
often as we can.

Cheers,

 -- Nikodemus
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From root at common-lisp.net  Wed Aug 13 20:38:06 2003
From: root at common-lisp.net (root)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:38:06 -0400
Subject: [Admin] added linedit; owned by nsiivola
Message-ID: <E19n2Ni-0005Qn-00@common-lisp.net>

Add successful at 2003.08.13.16.38.



From nikodemus at random-state.net  Mon Aug 18 13:44:21 2003
From: nikodemus at random-state.net (Nikodemus Siivola)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 16:44:21 +0300
Subject: [Admin] Re: [Paolo Amoroso] Re: [Clump] Re: Free CVS access (++)
	for open-source CL projects.
In-Reply-To: <874r0g750f.fsf@nittin.net>
References: <877k5epqlj.fsf@nittin.net>
	<20030816192016.GA2867@random-state.net>
	<874r0g750f.fsf@nittin.net>
Message-ID: <20030818134420.GC926@random-state.net>

On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 10:06:24AM -0400, Erik Enge wrote:

> I'd like to stick with clo because if we do we have a system that is
> fully compilant with a standard (project-name+mailinglist-name, etc)
> which in turn is much easier to write code against.

Ok.

> Should we announce them?  Let me know and I'll tell Paolo and then one
> of you guys can have the honors of telling c.l.l and cliki.

Ok. Here's a possible text for announcement:

"
Subject : [ANN] Common-lisp.net

  http://common-lisp.net 

is a website dedicated to providing the Common Lisp community with
development resources, including CVS, FTP, mailing lists, and
webspace.

Future plans include Subversion and Arch support, co-operation with
other related projects, plus news and articles.
"

Anything else?

Cheers,

 -- Nikodemus
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From erik at nittin.net  Mon Aug 18 14:13:05 2003
From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:13:05 -0400
Subject: [Admin] Re: [Paolo Amoroso] Re: [Clump] Re: Free CVS access (++) for
 open-source CL projects.
In-Reply-To: <20030818134420.GC926@random-state.net> (Nikodemus Siivola's
	message of "Mon, 18 Aug 2003 16:44:21 +0300")
References: <877k5epqlj.fsf@nittin.net>
	<20030816192016.GA2867@random-state.net> <874r0g750f.fsf@nittin.net>
	<20030818134420.GC926@random-state.net>
Message-ID: <87he4f3vgu.fsf@nittin.net>

Nikodemus Siivola <nikodemus at random-state.net> writes:

> Anything else?

Looks good, I forwarded it to Paolo.

Erik.



From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de  Mon Aug 18 14:09:59 2003
From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 16:09:59 +0200
Subject: [Admin] Re: [Paolo Amoroso] Re: [Clump] Re: Free CVS access (++)
	for open-source CL projects.
In-Reply-To: <20030818134420.GC926@random-state.net>
References: <877k5epqlj.fsf@nittin.net>
	<20030816192016.GA2867@random-state.net> <874r0g750f.fsf@nittin.net>
	<20030818134420.GC926@random-state.net>
Message-ID: <fz3cfz5a6g.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>

Nikodemus Siivola <nikodemus at random-state.net> writes:
> Ok. Here's a possible text for announcement:
> 
> "
> Subject : [ANN] Common-lisp.net
> 
>   http://common-lisp.net 
> 
> is a website dedicated to providing the Common Lisp community with
> development resources, including CVS, FTP, mailing lists, and
> webspace.
> 
> Future plans include Subversion and Arch support, co-operation with
> other related projects, plus news and articles.
> "

Looks good!

> Anything else?

Not that I know of. I would take it just like that to c.l.l.

Mario.




From erik at nittin.net  Mon Aug 18 14:38:55 2003
From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:38:55 -0400
Subject: [Admin] Re: [Paolo Amoroso] Re: [Clump] Re: Free CVS access
	(++) for open-source CL projects.
In-Reply-To: <fz3cfz5a6g.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de> (Mario Mommer's
	message of "Mon, 18 Aug 2003 16:09:59 +0200")
References: <877k5epqlj.fsf@nittin.net>
	<20030816192016.GA2867@random-state.net> <874r0g750f.fsf@nittin.net>
	<20030818134420.GC926@random-state.net>
	<fz3cfz5a6g.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
Message-ID: <874r0f3u9s.fsf@nittin.net>

Mario Mommer <mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de> writes:

> Not that I know of. I would take it just like that to c.l.l.

Ok, go for it.

Erik.



From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de  Mon Aug 18 15:56:56 2003
From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:56:56 +0200
Subject: [Admin] Re: [Paolo Amoroso] Re: [Clump] Re: Free CVS access (++)
	for open-source CL projects.
In-Reply-To: <fz3cfz5a6g.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
References: <877k5epqlj.fsf@nittin.net>
	<20030816192016.GA2867@random-state.net> <874r0g750f.fsf@nittin.net>
	<20030818134420.GC926@random-state.net>
	<fz3cfz5a6g.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
Message-ID: <fzhe4f3qnr.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>


Erik Enge <erik at nittin.net> writes:
> Mario Mommer <mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de> writes:
> 
> > Not that I know of. I would take it just like that to c.l.l.
> 
> Ok, go for it.

What do you guys think of the following?

"
Subject : [ANN] Common-lisp.net

http://common-lisp.net 
 
is a web-site dedicated to providing the Common Lisp community with
development resources, including CVS, FTP, mailing lists, and
web-space.
 
Future plans include Subversion and Arch support, co-operation with
other related projects, plus news and articles (authors are welcome!).

Regards,

      Erik Engke
      Mario S. Mommer
      Nikodemus Siivola
"




From erik at nittin.net  Mon Aug 18 16:57:36 2003
From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 12:57:36 -0400
Subject: [Admin] Re: [Paolo Amoroso] Re: [Clump] Re: Free CVS access
	(++) for open-source CL projects.
In-Reply-To: <fzhe4f3qnr.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de> (Mario Mommer's
	message of "Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:56:56 +0200")
References: <877k5epqlj.fsf@nittin.net>
	<20030816192016.GA2867@random-state.net> <874r0g750f.fsf@nittin.net>
	<20030818134420.GC926@random-state.net>
	<fz3cfz5a6g.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
	<fzhe4f3qnr.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
Message-ID: <87k79a3nun.fsf@nittin.net>

Mario Mommer <mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de> writes:

>       Erik Engke

Enge ;)

Erik.



From nikodemus at random-state.net  Mon Aug 18 20:41:22 2003
From: nikodemus at random-state.net (Nikodemus Siivola)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:41:22 +0300
Subject: [Admin] Re: [Paolo Amoroso] Re: [Clump] Re: Free CVS access (++)
	for open-source CL projects.
In-Reply-To: <fzhe4f3qnr.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
References: <877k5epqlj.fsf@nittin.net>
	<20030816192016.GA2867@random-state.net>
	<874r0g750f.fsf@nittin.net> <20030818134420.GC926@random-state.net>
	<fz3cfz5a6g.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
	<fzhe4f3qnr.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
Message-ID: <20030818204122.GA1602@random-state.net>

On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 05:56:56PM +0200, Mario Mommer wrote:

> Regards,

Blargh, names. I would just have signed it Common-lisp.net ... No
biggie, though.

Cheers,

 -- Nikodemus


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From jdz at dir.lv  Mon Aug 25 19:25:25 2003
From: jdz at dir.lv (Janis Dzerins)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:25:25 +0300
Subject: [Admin] Creating a project (rfc2388)
Message-ID: <oprug6wnbi2d1goj@dir.lv>

Hello there!

I'd like to create a project at common-lisp.net (Mr. kire on #lisp advised 
me to do so).  So, here are the details:

Full name: Janis Dzerins

Nickname (username): jdz

Project name: rfc2388

License: none at the moment, most probably BSD style; NO GPL.  There's a 
single file, so I'll find the boilerplate and add it.

Description: Implements MIME parsing.  I needed it to handle the 
multipart/form-data contents parsing to accept files posted through HTML 
forms.  Works for me at the moment, but needs some improvements.

Did I miss something?

Best regards,
-- 
Janis Dzerins

  Common Lisp -- you get more than what you see.



From erik at nittin.net  Mon Aug 25 19:29:30 2003
From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:29:30 -0400
Subject: [Admin] Creating a project (rfc2388)
In-Reply-To: <oprug6wnbi2d1goj@dir.lv> (Janis Dzerins's message of "Mon, 25
	Aug 2003 22:25:25 +0300")
References: <oprug6wnbi2d1goj@dir.lv>
Message-ID: <87fzjpilid.fsf@nittin.net>

Janis Dzerins <jdz at dir.lv> writes:

> I'd like to create a project at common-lisp.net (Mr. kire on #lisp
> advised me to do so).  So, here are the details:

Looks good to me as long as the code has the license attached at the
time you check it in.  We'll have to get a "go" from the others which
shouldn't take too long and when that happens I'll go ahead and set
everything up for you.

Erik.



From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de  Tue Aug 26 06:42:25 2003
From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:42:25 +0200
Subject: [Admin] Creating a project (rfc2388)
In-Reply-To: <87fzjpilid.fsf@nittin.net>
References: <oprug6wnbi2d1goj@dir.lv> <87fzjpilid.fsf@nittin.net>
Message-ID: <fzlltghqcu.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>

Erik Enge <erik at nittin.net> writes:
> Janis Dzerins <jdz at dir.lv> writes:
> 
> > I'd like to create a project at common-lisp.net (Mr. kire on #lisp
> > advised me to do so).  So, here are the details:
> 
> Looks good to me as long as the code has the license attached at the
> time you check it in.  We'll have to get a "go" from the others which
> shouldn't take too long and when that happens I'll go ahead and set
> everything up for you.

I agree. This looks good, but the licence issue should be cleared up
before the project is registered.

Regards,
        Mario.




From jonis at dir.lv  Tue Aug 26 08:30:12 2003
From: jonis at dir.lv (Janis Dzerins)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:30:12 +0300
Subject: [Admin] Creating a project (rfc2388)
In-Reply-To: <fzlltghqcu.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
References: <oprug6wnbi2d1goj@dir.lv> <87fzjpilid.fsf@nittin.net>
	<fzlltghqcu.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
Message-ID: <opruh68msxir0xmj@www.dir.lv>

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:42:25 +0200, Mario Mommer <mommer at igpm.rwth- 
aachen.de> wrote:

> Erik Enge <erik at nittin.net> writes:
>
>> Looks good to me as long as the code has the license attached at the
>> time you check it in.  We'll have to get a "go" from the others which
>> shouldn't take too long and when that happens I'll go ahead and set
>> everything up for you.
>
> I agree. This looks good, but the licence issue should be cleared up
> before the project is registered.

The license is BSD -- Erik was so kind as to give me the text.  I have put 
it in the file.  Should I send the file by mail or wait for FTP to work and 
then upload it myself?

-- 
Janis Dzerins

  Common Lisp -- you get more than what you see.



From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de  Thu Aug 28 15:19:46 2003
From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:19:46 +0200
Subject: [Admin] Creating a project (rfc2388)
In-Reply-To: <opruh68msxir0xmj@www.dir.lv>
References: <oprug6wnbi2d1goj@dir.lv> <87fzjpilid.fsf@nittin.net>
	<fzlltghqcu.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
	<opruh68msxir0xmj@www.dir.lv>
Message-ID: <fzlltd4xnx.fsf@cupid.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>

Janis Dzerins <jonis at dir.lv> writes:
>
> On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:42:25 +0200, Mario Mommer <mommer at igpm.rwth-
>
> > This looks good, but the licence issue should be cleared up before
> > the project is registered.
> 
> The license is BSD -- Erik was so kind as to give me the text.  I have
> put it in the file.

Then, as far as I am concerned, wellcome on board :-)

(sorry for the delay. I though the discussion on naming was not over).

> Should I send the file by mail or wait for FTP to
> work and then upload it myself?

Hm... Erik, what do you think?

I think that would make an entry to the FAQ, since it is a question
people will have frequently.

Regards,
        Mario.




From nikodemus at random-state.net  Tue Aug 26 11:06:05 2003
From: nikodemus at random-state.net (Nikodemus Siivola)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:06:05 +0300
Subject: [Admin] Creating a project (rfc2388)
In-Reply-To: <oprug6wnbi2d1goj@dir.lv>
References: <oprug6wnbi2d1goj@dir.lv>
Message-ID: <20030826110605.GA665@random-state.net>

On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 10:25:25PM +0300, Janis Dzerins wrote:

Ok, here's my analysis: jdz seems to be mostly sane enough, and 
he seems to have working code, so the vitals are ok.

Then the bad.

 name: rfc2388

Are we going to keep handing out RFC-numbers as project names? 

Reasons why I think it *may* be a bad policy:

 * It hints at being authorative, yet nwither the interface nor the
   implementation is.

 * If we get more of them out announcements suddenly become quite
   unreadaable: "Huh? There's a new version of rfc-whazzanumber
   on common-lisp.net."

Cheers,

 -- Nikodemus
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From erik at nittin.net  Tue Aug 26 12:55:28 2003
From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:55:28 -0400
Subject: [Admin] Creating a project (rfc2388)
In-Reply-To: <20030826110605.GA665@random-state.net> (Nikodemus Siivola's
	message of "Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:06:05 +0300")
References: <oprug6wnbi2d1goj@dir.lv> <20030826110605.GA665@random-state.net>
Message-ID: <873cfoinnj.fsf@nittin.net>

Nikodemus Siivola <nikodemus at random-state.net> writes:

> Are we going to keep handing out RFC-numbers as project names? 

I don't think it is our job to do have any policy for project names.
cCLan et al. seems to me to be the place to enforce that.  Do you have
an alternate strategy?

>  * If we get more of them out announcements suddenly become quite
>  unreadaable: "Huh? There's a new version of rfc-whazzanumber on
>  common-lisp.net."

You mean like rfc2822-2 or rfc2388-theotherone?  Yes, that will be
slightly confusing.  Do you have a suggestion for how we can do it
better?

Erik.



From erik at nittin.net  Fri Aug 29 15:51:38 2003
From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:51:38 -0400
Subject: [Admin] Creating a project (rfc2388)
In-Reply-To: <oprug6wnbi2d1goj@dir.lv> (Janis Dzerins's message of "Mon, 25
	Aug 2003 22:25:25 +0300")
References: <oprug6wnbi2d1goj@dir.lv>
Message-ID: <87y8xcxy0l.fsf@nittin.net>

Janis Dzerins <jdz at dir.lv> writes:

> I'd like to create a project at common-lisp.net (Mr. kire on #lisp
> advised me to do so).  So, here are the details:

Created!  Password in a separate email.

Importing your code to the CVS repository is probably a better approach
than copying it up via the FTP server.

Erik.



From root at common-lisp.net  Fri Aug 29 15:50:20 2003
From: root at common-lisp.net (root)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:50:20 -0400
Subject: [Admin] added rfc2388; owned by jdzerins
Message-ID: <E19slW0-0005JV-00@common-lisp.net>

Add successful at 2003.08.29.11.50.



From nikodemus at random-state.net  Sat Aug 30 02:30:39 2003
From: nikodemus at random-state.net (Nikodemus Siivola)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 05:30:39 +0300
Subject: [Admin] WWW & FTP updates not working
Message-ID: <20030830023039.GA5437@random-state.net>

Erik, FTP & WWW updates don't seem to be working.

Cheers,

 -- Nikodemus
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